• GodlessCommie@lemmy.worldOPM
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    Democrats call themselves leftists all the time while supporting non leftist policies and politicians while believing their party is left of center. It’s no different than MAGA believing they are Christian despite being nothing like their Christ.

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      But you don’t get to decide whether a person is Christian or not. You’re not the arbiter of their belief. They decide what they are; all you get is an opinion about it.

      Let leftists be leftists. We need all the help we can get.

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        If a person says they’re a christian that doesn’t believe in jesus then yes I absolutely do get to tell them they are definitionally not a christian, words mean things, read a book

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        “Leftist” isn’t an identity, it’s a description of political philosophy. An objective adjective.

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          Liberals achieved more of their goals this year than leftists did. Do you really want to exclude them as allies? We would outnumber MAGA.

          Be practical. You can’t get a perfect ally, but you can make friends willing to help your cause.

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              Hrm, hard disagree there, and at the risk of sounded repetitive it’s each person’s decision to choose a party, not yours. You seem angry and I don’t think you’re in the mood to listen so I’ll be blocking you. Have a day

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            They achieved goals that are completely antithetical to any coherent definition of leftism, the only practical result of collaborating with them will be the continuation of a status quo that is objectively evil

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        Of course I get to decide who a Christian is. If someone follows the Quran, attends Mosque, doesn’t eat pork, and completely follows the traditions of Islam, they are Muslim. They may not “identify” as a Muslim, but that word has been polluted to the point of uselessness. Words have meaning. You can be something simply by meeting the definition of the term. Your own emotions are irrelevant.

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          I consider you to be a conservative republican because of your support of constitutional rights, therefore you are one. <-- incorrect because my arbitrarily-chosen criteria don’t determine your identity, you do. Regardless of how I personally measure your beliefs, you are the one who decides them and their value. If my opinion of you is “conservative republican” then my emotions are irrelevant; I’m wrong and you’re not one.

          Good talk :)