It’s actually funny how this all happened THIS October. Reinventing the wheel over and over doesn’t work, people!

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    7 days ago

    The Pokemon game that locked features and Pokemon behind paid DLC released alongside the game revitalized the franchise? Fuck that. I’ve bought every Pokemon game since Red and every console to play them on, but it’ll be a cold day in hell before I give them more money when they’re just going to use to sue smaller developers and while letting fascists co-opt their music and imagery.

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      To be fair the “DLC” isn’t actually available until 2026, what they have released now is basically a pre-order, still scummy but not as bad as you’re implying. Edit:for clarity, they didn’t cut anything out of the game, they just have a pre-order for the DLC.

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        If before you’ve even finished a project you’ve already decided part of it won’t be included in the original project unless the user pays extra, that’s the definition of scummy.

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          Isn’t that what all DLC is? The The expansion you can buy right now is basically just pre-ordering the DLC in 2026, like a season pass.

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      Every single person I know who bought it says it’s the best entry in the franchise in a decade, so… 🤷

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        I believe it, only because that’s a pretty low bar lol. I’ll play it when I can 🏴‍☠️🦜 it.

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          It’s already available, has been for a week or so. I don’t think the Switch 2 version is different enough to really matter; obviously, if you’re buying it and have a Switch 2, you’re going to want the extra performance, but if you don’t have a Switch 2 or are otherwise acquiring it, might as well just get the Switch 1 version.

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          I don’t think a Switch 2 emulator will come out any time soon, but I do respect the hustle. I myself am probably only gonna get anything Switch/Switch 2 related from resellers and/or used.

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        PLA is definitely the better Legends game. PLZA is absurdly dialogue-heavy for a game that doesn’t have well-written dialogue, and they took out the damned Linking Cord, one of the best parts of PLA.

        Also, there are scores of dialogue options, and the only ones that matter are your name and a handful of “are you ready to battle” ones; most have two options that mean exactly the same thing.

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          I feel like arceus was waaay more dialog heavy? At least on the early game, I haven’t completed ZA yet.

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      Why? They did what every player has been wanting since MW2019 with the matchmaking, disbanding lobbies, and aim assist. That alone made the beta WAY more fun than ANY CoD game I’ve played since Cold War.

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        is this a bit or are you really this cringy? the game isn’t even out for a month, dipshit. and it’s gonna be the same overmonetized overmarketed bullshit we’ve been getting for years, with a placebo matchmaking change on top. simmer down.

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          “placebo”

          Bro’s really self-reporting. The change for me was instant, I was actually getting a VTOL Warship almost every game, and NONE of my matches were “You are the carry, here’s 5 kids who never touched a controller while the enemy team has average players that curbstomp your short bus teammates”. Nor was I getting multiple bad matches in a row after a string of good matches. If you thought literally nothing changed then I’m sorry but you’re just actual fucking trash and were being protected by the matchmaking.

          Sorry for your skill issue diagnosis.

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            why do you think i wasted my time on bo7 lol. is this a shitty guerrilla marketing attempt?

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              If I was getting paid by Activision I wouldn’t be doing this on Lemmy of all places lmao, and I wouldn’t like to take money from them anyway cause they’d probably force me to not talk shit about the game. But I genuinely think just the matchmaking change completely transformed the game. Before the open playlist came out, I was not hyped for it at all, but after that it actually made me look forward to the game. But if you think it’s literally the same matchmaking… Then I don’t know how to tell you you’re just not that guy.

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                not that guy.

                not that guy who pays $70 a year to play the same game over and over again?

                you’ve literally only played the open beta. it will take maybe two weeks for anyone who’s not sweaty as fuck to abandon the sweaty as fuck playlist lmao.

                ‘i can’t be a marketing goon, i’m on an unpopular platform’ durrr as if that’s not how this shit started on reddit too. if it walks like a stooge and quacks like a stooge i’m gonna call it out as a stooge, or why would you be simping for an UNRELEASED GAME?

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                  Well, for one, the playlist is becoming the default matchmaking for all modes, so I suppose you’d not have fun regardless with your massive skill issue. Also, I don’t buy CoD every year, sometimes I skip them, and I didn’t even buy BO6 because I had PC Game Pass with Microsoft Rewards… until Microsoft ruined both, that is. And third, do you also make fun of Counter-Strike players for essentially playing the same game, on the exact same maps, for 26 fucking years? I do know CS2 is free but the fact of the matter is that it’s the same exact game at its core since 1.6.

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    My only gripes with Pokemon Z/A is the lack of abilities and not being able to leave the city.

    I’m also scared that since it’s a “Legends” game and not a mainline game we may go back to turn based.

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      I… Would not call a game a “main” game unless it were turn-based. Like, that’s kind of the whole point.

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        I disagree, to me the corr of the mainline games is the Pokedex and region, the actual battles being turn based has always just been a negative to me.

        In my opinion saying the turn based battles are critical to being mainline is like saying the saccrin and frankly bad writing is critical, sure it’s always been there but that just makes it a persistent problem not a feature.

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          I’m kind of confused by that sentiment, because the Pokedex and region are the things that change from game-to-game?

          And like, sometimes the writing is bad and saccharine, but not always. It’s subjective, but Gen V is widely considered to have pretty good writing. Gen 1 is pretty understated and well-grounded analog to post-WW2 Japan, with Team Rocket acting as a family-friendly version Yakuza.

          I’m also not sure why turn-based games are a negative. Like… From board games like chess, to tabletop games like D&D, to strategy games like Civ, to card games and card videogames like Slay the Spire and Balatro… For me I view turn-based vs real-time as a tool for game designers to wield, not just a strictly positive vs negative thing.

          Turn-based has serious positives. It’s less impactful to be interrupted, which is important for handheld games. I find it easier to play when I’m not sober. It’s also easier to play while active - I’ve played through multiple main line games on a treadmill, but even Scarlet and Violet has too much active real-time movement for me to be able to stay coordinated while doing that.

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            Filling the Pokedex, not the actual contents.

            I agree gen V had good writing, it’s a shame they forgot how to do that immediately after (This is part of why I fear them returning to turn based, they have back slid before)

            Sure turn based has merits, even if you have to dig to find them, but it’s boring to me.

            Board games being turn based are a completely different story, when you play a board game you are playing with a person, you’re talking to them, watching their body language and communicating the whole time.

            Turn based in a video game is staring at a screen waiting until you have something to do again. It feels like a relic of a different time, when it wasn’t technically feasible to have live action Pokemon battles like the one in the show.

            As for turn based being a tool, if course it is, but the setting and surrounding media and lore keeps claiming Pokemon battles are exciting and fast passed. You know, the opposite of turn based.

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      Turn-based is more fun to me.

      The problem is that the battle system is slow. Other games in the genre know how to speed things up. Pokemon insists on providing information one message box at a time. If they fix that, they could make the game feel faster.

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        Turn-based is more fun to me.

        My wife said the same thing. She is not a fast gamer, she likes the slower pace of Pokémon. I also have been forgetting the game is not turn based as zoning out during combat, or in a wild zone.

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          I know that Pokemon is, ostensibly, a children’s game. But there is a niche in my life for games I can play when I’m not sober, and being turn-based greatly facilitates that for me.

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        Just emulating the old games and running them at 4x speed is an incredible QoL improvement.

        Instead of implementing more options to speed things up, GameFreak instead decided to remove the option to disable animations.

        I have been saying for years they need to split the franchise. From an anime perspective, before they retired Ash I was calling for them to let him age into a teenager, and for them to create a new character for a show for younger kids. For the games, i want them to split into 3D action RPG’s that play like the Legends games and Scarlet/Violet while the main games stay 2D and turn-based. Right now it seems like they’ve been adding new shit to the main games out of a fear of getting stale rather than to actually serve the games.

        They seem to be doing some of that, with Pokemon Champions removing the burden of competitive play from the main games in the future.