Every day i became more thankfully for not live or visit u.s.
can’t wait for the next social democrat rugpull
Stein was SO close to sweeping every state. SO close!
Shit libs terrified of giving up their privilege is what prevents third parties from getting any traction. You know that the status quo founded on white supremacy and capitalism provides you a certain level of comfort that you don’t want to give up and your creature comforts are more important than society as a whole. Liberalism is a poison to all movements
that’s a load of shit… you have exactly 2 options to vote for in an FPTP system, and that’s just game theory and maths… you can be RIGHTLY pissy at the system, but it’s the system you have to work within until it changes
complaining that people don’t vote third party in the US is like complaining that gravity stops you from flying around the world by just jumping: you’re right, it’d be great! but that’s just not how reality works
and blaming people who are largely pulling in the same direction as you (ie away from the far right) is counterproductive to shifting left (and let’s be clear here: we’re not talking about actual left in the US: that’s a long way off; but not far right is still further left than the racist shit sandwich you have right now), and is so straight out of the election rigging playbook that your motives are completely in question, or you’re just wilfully ignorant of how your electoral system works (but ignorance here is still hugely dangerous: this is how you get the world more trump)
Or, think about this for a moment, there currently isn’t enough support for a third parry to have any chance whatsoever at winning. If the numbers were closer, instead of what, 2-3% for independents? It might be a better argument.
But right now it’s just “There are three options. Two pounds of poop, one pound of poop, and candy. 98% of people are voting for poop. Now you can vote for candy to show your distaste for poop, but no matter what you’re getting poop. So are you gonna take the risk of two pounds winning by not giving your vote to one pound?” It’s not that complicated. I wrote it so toddlers could understand.
To be clear, I’m on the side of candy. If that needed to be said. I’m just a realist.
There isn’t support because liberals would rather support fascism than equity.
That isn’t here nor there. I’m not arguing over whether or not there SHOULD be support, I’m telling you the current facts of reality. We can all say candy is better for as long as we want but that doesn’t change the fact that the majority of people are shit eaters, does it?
More like a hermit crab.
I don’t know, man. So-called “Tea Party” Republicans have effectively taken over the GOP. You flip enough seats in Congress, and you’ll create a new majority. As long as it starts with the people…you can change the system.
MAGA is not the Tea Party
Completely different Christian extremist organizations.
The Tea Party doesn’t exist as a separate movement anymore. They were a racist reaction to Obama becoming president, and an act of populist rebellion against the establishment Republicans that were willing to compromise with Democrats. They were the trailer trash wing of the GOP, and they were wildly popular with their base for it.
They all became MAGA, as soon as Trump threw his hat in the ring back in 2015.
Tea Party is just a small circle inside the bigger maga circle.
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Tea Party? Where we are right now started with the John Birch Society in 1958. The only outcome of trying to work within the system is a constant shift to the right
Well, clearly the right is more organized than the left, then. Because they aren’t using magic to accomplish their goals. The mechanisms exist, we just need to start using them, instead of simply complaining about the fact that other people are better at using those mechanisms against us.
“Uneducated people are pushed to the right by the right and the Neoliberals =/= coordinated”
Not coordinated by the uneducated people. Coordinated by the wealthy capitalists who want to perpetuate a system that exploits those people.
Then it isn’t the Republicans who are coordinated.
So, you think the slow progression to the right, is just a coincidence? That there’s just some natural law that dictates the flow of policy in one direction only, and that it’s just accidentally benefitting the rich and powerful, every time?
C’mon, man.
It doesnt mean the right is more organized, it means the socioeconomic power structures favor right wing policies that work to dismantle what power the working class has ever managed to grasp. Capitalism is the root of the problem, and capital simply will not incrementally cede it’s power away to The People through the mechanisms built to preserve said power.
It doesnt mean the right is more organized, it means the socioeconomic power structures favor right wing policies that work to dismantle what power the working class has ever managed to grasp.
That’s not an accident. It’s also not a natural phenomenon. It is deliberate. That’s what makes it “organized”. Generations of intentional effort have gone into building and maintaining it.
Capitalism is the root of the problem, and capital simply will not incrementally cede it’s power away to The People through the mechanisms built to preserve said power.
“Capitalism” is not a conscious entity. “Capitalism” doesn’t “do” any of those things. People do. We choose the systems we live by. The problem is that some people have taken the time and made the effort to commandeer those systems for their own benefit, by exploiting the rest of us.
That doesn’t make us helpless. Collective action gives us power. We just need to use it.
…what do you actually think can happen? A revolution and implementation of a new system from the ground up? Please do explain, how do you think that’ll get accomplished?
Go outside for a bit, maybe get offline for a while.
Hows that incrementalism working out for you? Your party has convinced you a slow process results in progress. The only difference over the last 50 years is democrats have become the things 1980s democrats hated
How’s that revolution working out for you?
Approval ratings for both right wing parties are at historical lows, so it appears to be going pretty well.
How do low approval ratings translate to revolution? I could equally claim those ratings for incrementalism, proof that the progressive voice has become more empowered.
My party? And what is that? I’ll vote for the least bad candidates but I don’t have a party in American or European politics. The DNC is 90% as bad as the RNC.
Please study history a little, and share the percentage where revolutions resulted in a net positive in the same generation. I’ll wait
Your lesser evil that you were willing to vote for is your party, which means you are complicit in any activity that they engage in, even that lesser evil that you believe exists.
I don’t think you know how anything works, but I’ll encourage you to keep learning about the history of revolutions, since you seemed to just ignore that point.
Being lectured by someone supporting the party that keeps making the same mistakes over and over and over again doesn’t hold any weight
Don’t listen to me then, look it up for yourself
It may come as a surprise to you that other parties and other countries exist. It may also come as a surprise to you that there are very many examples in history where the violent overthrow of an existing system lead to one clique of assholes getting swapped out for another. I’m not aware of any where this actually resulted in a better society.
Spoken like a coward
Spoken like a thug.
