Those gonna get jam packed FULL of dead skin and gunk within days.
Watches, generally speaking, have a twist off back plate for that exact reason. And smart watches tend to add glue because it is more reliable than rubber gaskets for water resistance (and because it means you need to contact Apple for replacement parts…).
Its similar to the issue with screws in general. EVERYONE hates flat head screws. People who don’t know that they come in different sizes hates phillips. Everyone LOVES torx…
Until you have something that is exposed to dirt and debris on the regular. And suddenly you are digging the gunk out of those fancy heads by hand while they are still installed. Versus a quick scraping and using the god awful flathead.
I’ve got a Timex Expedition that I’ve had since high school. That means I bought it some time during the early Triassic. Its stainless steel backplate is held on with four Phillips screws and I have never in many decades had any problems undoing them when I need to replace the battery every six years or so. It remains resolutely waterproof. I know this because it lives outside rather frequently: at the moment I have it stuck to the gauge cluster on one of my motorcycles with Velcro.
I have a Garmin Fenix 7s. This watch also has torx screws on the back. I wear it day and night for 3-4 years now, even when working in the garden etc. and the screw heads are completely clean. So I don’t think it’s an issue.
You basically need something to twist it off (magnet, friction, a dedicated tool, or honestly just two properly sized prybars) and then you are set.
This is just yet another case of a tech company “disrupting” because they can’t be bothered to look at what the actual state of the art is and realize there is no point.
That, or the watchmakers of old didn’t have to worry about wiring actuators, speakers, and heart rate monitors on the back plate. Or is that against nature and shouldn’t be done in the first place anyway?
For what it’s worth, my F91W has Philips screws on the back plate exactly like this and I never had a problem, and I’ve taken it apart more than a few times (it’s a Sensor Watch!)
I love my Casio for exercising and hiking and the like.
Casios are, by and large, disposable items. They are not meant to be serviced. They are meant to be replaced. And there are countless stories of Casio putting a LOT of threadlock on those screws for that reason. For some you can get aroudn that to swap a battery or replace a lug but the “preferred” method is to send it to Casio and, if it is under warranty, they basically just send you a new one instead.
And the higher end Casios have twisting backplates that ARE meant to be repaired/maintained have the same twisting backplates as the rest.
I collect Casios. Most get into my hands with dead batteries. Never had issues fixing them up, so I’m not sure what you mean by “disposable”. All standard screws, pins, etc. ?
I feels like all these is really non-issue for dailly user, you’re not gonna open the stuff up every week, most likely you’re gonna need to do it once in a year or two to change some part. If you have any skill repairing stuff, cleaning it up is just a matter of having a toothbrush and some toothpick to clean up the gunk before doing the work, and you will already own a set of driver.
And smart watches tend to add glue because it is more reliable than rubber gaskets for water resistance
Debatable. Some car’s waterpump rely on rubber o-ring to seal up the cooling system, and those run at around 12/16psi and in high heat constantly while car is in working condition, and it can last for years before it leak. Rubber o ring also played an important role in sealing International Space Station. It’s the quality of the rubber o ring that is important, it can easily pass ipx7 or even ipx8 rating if the casing is properly designed, and lasted longer than the battery would if quality o-ring is used. My guess is glue is often used because it’s cheaper, as you can apply it in any shape you wanted, instead of having to manufacture a shape that fit the use case.
Everyone hates Japanese Philips screws until they learn there’s Japanese Philips screw drivers. Decades of stripped motorcycle screws because the angle is different.
Those gonna get jam packed FULL of dead skin and gunk within days.
Watches, generally speaking, have a twist off back plate for that exact reason. And smart watches tend to add glue because it is more reliable than rubber gaskets for water resistance (and because it means you need to contact Apple for replacement parts…).
Its similar to the issue with screws in general. EVERYONE hates flat head screws. People who don’t know that they come in different sizes hates phillips. Everyone LOVES torx…
Until you have something that is exposed to dirt and debris on the regular. And suddenly you are digging the gunk out of those fancy heads by hand while they are still installed. Versus a quick scraping and using the god awful flathead.
I’ve got a Timex Expedition that I’ve had since high school. That means I bought it some time during the early Triassic. Its stainless steel backplate is held on with four Phillips screws and I have never in many decades had any problems undoing them when I need to replace the battery every six years or so. It remains resolutely waterproof. I know this because it lives outside rather frequently: at the moment I have it stuck to the gauge cluster on one of my motorcycles with Velcro.
I have a Garmin Fenix 7s. This watch also has torx screws on the back. I wear it day and night for 3-4 years now, even when working in the garden etc. and the screw heads are completely clean. So I don’t think it’s an issue.
Doesn’t a little solvent and some gentle brushing usually clear this issue up?
The benefits for simple access through simple mechanisms, for me, is worth this bit of work.
But everyone clearly has different requirements. 🤷♂️
Go look at how watches are actually disassembled.
You basically need something to twist it off (magnet, friction, a dedicated tool, or honestly just two properly sized prybars) and then you are set.
This is just yet another case of a tech company “disrupting” because they can’t be bothered to look at what the actual state of the art is and realize there is no point.
That, or the watchmakers of old didn’t have to worry about wiring actuators, speakers, and heart rate monitors on the back plate. Or is that against nature and shouldn’t be done in the first place anyway?
For what it’s worth, my F91W has Philips screws on the back plate exactly like this and I never had a problem, and I’ve taken it apart more than a few times (it’s a Sensor Watch!)
I understand, and don’t have any of those tools to hand.
It sounds like this is not a watch for you.
They just like complaining
There are lots of watches with screws on the back, like the Casio F91
I love my Casio for exercising and hiking and the like.
Casios are, by and large, disposable items. They are not meant to be serviced. They are meant to be replaced. And there are countless stories of Casio putting a LOT of threadlock on those screws for that reason. For some you can get aroudn that to swap a battery or replace a lug but the “preferred” method is to send it to Casio and, if it is under warranty, they basically just send you a new one instead.
And the higher end Casios have twisting backplates that ARE meant to be repaired/maintained have the same twisting backplates as the rest.
I collect Casios. Most get into my hands with dead batteries. Never had issues fixing them up, so I’m not sure what you mean by “disposable”. All standard screws, pins, etc. ?
I break mine. Surely everyone else is equally unskilled…
Yep, torx or allen (around 1mm it’s just as good).
I feels like all these is really non-issue for dailly user, you’re not gonna open the stuff up every week, most likely you’re gonna need to do it once in a year or two to change some part. If you have any skill repairing stuff, cleaning it up is just a matter of having a toothbrush and some toothpick to clean up the gunk before doing the work, and you will already own a set of driver.
Debatable. Some car’s waterpump rely on rubber o-ring to seal up the cooling system, and those run at around 12/16psi and in high heat constantly while car is in working condition, and it can last for years before it leak. Rubber o ring also played an important role in sealing International Space Station. It’s the quality of the rubber o ring that is important, it can easily pass ipx7 or even ipx8 rating if the casing is properly designed, and lasted longer than the battery would if quality o-ring is used. My guess is glue is often used because it’s cheaper, as you can apply it in any shape you wanted, instead of having to manufacture a shape that fit the use case.
I think it depends on screw design. GShock also have screws and they just don’t get dirty enough that you couldn’t unscrew them.
bring back screws
True, but it shouldn’t be a huge deal to clean them up once every few years.
Everyone hates Japanese Philips screws until they learn there’s Japanese Philips screw drivers. Decades of stripped motorcycle screws because the angle is different.
ECX?