Another migration. I know I’m sure I’ll be told I’m a ding dong, but all these migrations are the reason why decentralized social media will never be popular. Some probably think that’s a good thing, but 90% of the posts here are the same person posting hentai.
I’ll use the Casual Conversation community as an example. They started out on Lemmy.World. They had 6.7k subscribers. They moved to lemm.ee, which was shut down. Now they are at piefed. One of the biggest communities migrated multiple times and has lost almost 20% of the subscribers.
One could argue that this is the purpose of decentralized social media, but my point is that constant migration and evolution, while not exactly dubious, will keep casual users away.
High-fidelity community migration (no loss of followers) is on my to-do list for the next release. It might get bumped to the release after but it’s on the agenda.
Most of the initial communities made primarily on lemmy.world benefited from the initial flood of users joining from Reddit after the API fiasco. Most of them didn’t stick around - but their presence on as subscribers on those communities still persists. It’s a false number.
Subscribers aren’t a great metric to determine community viability in many cases.
Yeah, I wish there was a good technical solution for this baked into the Fediverse. PieFed has some of that, you get some features for migrating communities there. But all of this is integral part of this place. We also have like 10 technology communities. It’s not obvious what to subscribe to. Some formed due to growth and changed dynamics. Some because someone was against AI and someone else pro AI, and they split off and made yet another community with the same name. None of that is intuitive to newbies. You can of course subscribe to all of them but then you’ll regularly get the same post 5 times in your timeline because it also leads to cross-posting and all kinds of things… This is by design, though. And it’s difficult to design online platforms to be easy to use, cater to all people, grant freedom to everyone… I think we still got some room for improvement 😉
I have been thinking about this a lot. When you search for “fediverse” you get multiple communities. I think it would have to come from an outside source, like a new site for instance, or maybe an app, but it would be nice if there was a way to just consolidate all communities with a particular name into one super community. I know that’s not how the fediverse works, but imo it should.
Once upon a time you needed GNUtella, freeseek, kaazaa, eMule, NZB, DirectConnect, FreeNet, and bittorrent. Give it time, if you can’t tolerate being an early adopter. You will find this pattern throughout life, not just on decentralized networks.
The times change but technologies still go through the same lifecycles. Nothing wrong with waiting for things to mature, though I’d rather accept some rough edges than accept getting sold as a product.
The point of ActivityPub is that you don’t have to migrate your account to be part of any shiny new social media platform. You can just stick to lemmy and interact with piefed communities/posts/comments without even knowing about it, just like this post here (it was posted by a piefed user and you’re viewing it on lemmy).
In an ideal world, and I know this is the end-game - Piefed does plan to support total community migration between instances. Ie a piefed.social community could move to piefed.ca and maintain all of its posts, comments and subscribers. Communities would be modular.
Lemmy wouldn’t recognise this though, and I doubt that would ever change.
At some point in the future I will also have time to implement community migration for Lemmy. In theory it’s not so complicated, but there are lots of other things to do.
Another migration. I know I’m sure I’ll be told I’m a ding dong, but all these migrations are the reason why decentralized social media will never be popular. Some probably think that’s a good thing, but 90% of the posts here are the same person posting hentai.
What do you mean “another migration”? Piefed and Lemmy communities and instances can be viewed from both.
I’ll use the Casual Conversation community as an example. They started out on Lemmy.World. They had 6.7k subscribers. They moved to lemm.ee, which was shut down. Now they are at piefed. One of the biggest communities migrated multiple times and has lost almost 20% of the subscribers.
One could argue that this is the purpose of decentralized social media, but my point is that constant migration and evolution, while not exactly dubious, will keep casual users away.
High-fidelity community migration (no loss of followers) is on my to-do list for the next release. It might get bumped to the release after but it’s on the agenda.
Now we’re talkin!
Subscribers are a poor metrics. Active users is much more relevant, and [email protected] is as active as the previous versions used to be
That’s fair.
Most of the initial communities made primarily on lemmy.world benefited from the initial flood of users joining from Reddit after the API fiasco. Most of them didn’t stick around - but their presence on as subscribers on those communities still persists. It’s a false number.
Subscribers aren’t a great metric to determine community viability in many cases.
Yeah, I wish there was a good technical solution for this baked into the Fediverse. PieFed has some of that, you get some features for migrating communities there. But all of this is integral part of this place. We also have like 10 technology communities. It’s not obvious what to subscribe to. Some formed due to growth and changed dynamics. Some because someone was against AI and someone else pro AI, and they split off and made yet another community with the same name. None of that is intuitive to newbies. You can of course subscribe to all of them but then you’ll regularly get the same post 5 times in your timeline because it also leads to cross-posting and all kinds of things… This is by design, though. And it’s difficult to design online platforms to be easy to use, cater to all people, grant freedom to everyone… I think we still got some room for improvement 😉
I have been thinking about this a lot. When you search for “fediverse” you get multiple communities. I think it would have to come from an outside source, like a new site for instance, or maybe an app, but it would be nice if there was a way to just consolidate all communities with a particular name into one super community. I know that’s not how the fediverse works, but imo it should.
Piefed consolidates comments from crossposts : https://piefed.zip/c/space/p/771135/space-station-first-all-docking-ports-fully-occupied-8-spacecraft-on-orbit#post_replies
What you don’t like my furry feet fotos
pics?I don’t dislike them. I hate them. I HATE YOU
Once upon a time you needed GNUtella, freeseek, kaazaa, eMule, NZB, DirectConnect, FreeNet, and bittorrent. Give it time, if you can’t tolerate being an early adopter. You will find this pattern throughout life, not just on decentralized networks.
Those were different times.
The average Internet user is a phone user who only knows apps.
I would say centralization might be required to reach Facebook like sizes but I’m not sure that is a valuable goal.
The times change but technologies still go through the same lifecycles. Nothing wrong with waiting for things to mature, though I’d rather accept some rough edges than accept getting sold as a product.
What I meant more is less that the technologies change but that the users have. Users were more tech savvy by nessessity.
There are plenty of people online now who would never have made it before.
The point of ActivityPub is that you don’t have to migrate your account to be part of any shiny new social media platform. You can just stick to lemmy and interact with piefed communities/posts/comments without even knowing about it, just like this post here (it was posted by a piefed user and you’re viewing it on lemmy).
I understand you don’t have to migrate your account. You do have to migrate the community though. Which caused a 20% decrease in members.
https://piefed.zip/comment/2629414
Same comment, but from your instance : https://lemmy.world/post/39664704/20826464
One was after the other.
In an ideal world, and I know this is the end-game - Piefed does plan to support total community migration between instances. Ie a piefed.social community could move to piefed.ca and maintain all of its posts, comments and subscribers. Communities would be modular.
Lemmy wouldn’t recognise this though, and I doubt that would ever change.
At some point in the future I will also have time to implement community migration for Lemmy. In theory it’s not so complicated, but there are lots of other things to do.
you can just block the whole lemmynsfw instance
I did. I still get weird posts from time to time from different communities.
i don’t think i’ll ever understand how people can get off to drawings…
I have a very specific fantasy that doesn’t happen in real life… yet.
does it involve a dragon fucking a car?
I have two very specific fantasies now.
I will never understand it, as it’s not my thing, but more power to them I guess.