This is such an American-centric meme.
Not every country has the same systematic police problems the US has. Most countries don’t in fact.
No it’s not.
All Cops Are Bastards, All being the key word there.
Name your country and I’ll find examples of cops being bastards.
The expression isn’t “it’s just a few bad apples but the bunch is generally okay.”
Add “they don’t have to know the law to enforce the law”
The… phrase that ‘just a few bad apples’… derives from…
… is: ‘A few bad apples spoil the bunch’.
Because that’s how spoilage of fruit works, literally.
The bootlickers often forget how their own aphorisms work.
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you’ve inadvertently summoned my familiar:
It actually derives from the phrase “the rotten apple quickly spoils his companion”, which is more to your point
The version I heard from my grandparents always had the phrase ‘bunch’ in it, as a group noun.
But, apparently, there are old variants that use ‘neighbor’, ‘companion’, ‘bunch’ and ‘barrel’.
Why should we try to save a fundamentally corrupt system because of a few good apples?
There is some good cops, but they are a minority, and the good ones legitimise and enable the bad ones. (40% of cops engage in domestic violence. 60% of them enable the 40%.)
as many have pointed out before the “bad apple” idiom is
“one bad apple spoils the whole bunch”
meaning it doesn’t matter how many good apples there are - it only needs one bad one.
Because the system (law & order) is necessary for a functional society.
sure lil bro, thats why militarised police forces only came about during the industrial revolution :)
sure lil bro, thats why police forces predominantly formed from local militias seeking elimination of indigenous populations :)
sure lil bro, thats why the police will definately arrest a business owner stealing the wages of their employees :)
You’re seemingly blaming bad governance on the system being exploited by that government, and then saying the system should be eliminated, even tho elimination of the system would be costlier to everyone than trying to fix it/maintain it, and maybe a more logical choice would be to target the government, like it happened in many other parts of the world, including my country, where people generally have respect for police and police respect the people, no drama or unnecessary fights, lil bro.
I don’t like ACAB as a slogan because it sort of focuses on cops as bad individuals rather than the systemic harm of policing.
I don’t really care whether cops are good or bad people. That’s a distraction. I care about dismantling harmful systems.
The system prevents every cop from behaving benevolently.
The slogan emphasizes that no prize may be won by seeking a cop who is good. There are no good cops because there are no cops free from the system.
Does calling all cops bastards not imply that it’s a structural problem?
Not necessarily because if “all” is taken to be a universal “all” then this implies that they would still be bad under a different structure. It’s not clear from the statement alone what “all” refers to: “all” under this system or “all” under all possible systems. I have definitely seen a lot of people say it should be interpreted in the latter way.
It does imply it but as a mass slogan I think it should be a bit more explicit.
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When did “dismantling a badly broken current system” = “never having law enforcement again?”
If I’m not using it, sure.
But where I live cops don’t really do anything about theft anyway, to your point. The community watches out for thieves, who exist primarily due to systemic poverty. Until we solve that issue I’m forced to take precautions like locking doors, hiding valuables, etc.
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Amazing that people somehow survived without police for millions of years. Maybe they were smarter back then.
I think that’s because they lived in close-knit communities where people knew each other. The police are a modern solution to a contemporary problem.
Of course. But I’m not necessarily imagining the abolition of police in an unchanged modern society. It should also be combined with a large reduction in or elimination of private property rights, more local autonomy, housing security, elimination of car culture, and probably other things I’m not thinking of. These reforms will help rebuild local community and eliminate the perceived need for police. Some kind of peacekeeping force will probably still be necessary but it should be structured very differently and have different goals and incentives.
I’m with you! We could, at the very least, start policing the police but I wouldn’t mind an entirely different system altogether.
They lived in cities with millions of people.
Police weren’t invented until I think the 1800s?
people somehow survived without police for millions of years
I was replying to that timeframe.
Here are outlined systems of law enforcement since ancient times.
E: Whoops, someone beat me to it.
The imaginary world some people here live in or want to perpetuate is so absurd. Tell me you have not even bothered to check your own confirmation bias against a history book without telling me. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police#Ancient
Maybe if you guys really want to spread anarchist narratives and really want them to succeed, don’t spread misinformation at least? In my experience, anarchy is inherently a whitewashing under charisma an existing superimposed power system by another superimposed power system that’s whitewashed by more amiable rhetoric. Cue oxymorons like “The Anarchy Police”, which as idealistic as it is, hides under its rhetorical veil the people who will inevitably have to rise and impose the power system as the arbiters of democracy, fairness, and “representing society”, imposing the oxymoron of a power system they criticize in the first place. This essentially has the whole system live in denial of what it is and inevitably dooming it to corruption, as opposed to working to make a flawed but existing system less flawed.
Even now, calling the police doesn’t stop burglaries, it just might get you shot
Exactly… do police sometimes to helpful things? Yes. But overall I think they do more harm than good.
The police won’t stop you now.
The actual thing that’s preventing you is your fear of violent consequences, and I can assure you that those consequences will still exist without police intervention.
That’s called a library economy, and we definitely need it if we want to avoid climate catastrophe
Its to the point I don’t associate with people who don’t have a ‘no cops ever’ policy. I can live without friends, I cannot live with getting innocent people (or even myself!) Killed so the state can reach in to swing its dicj around in places it has no business.
I was almost killed by police years ago. I worked for a it company who was contracted to a credit union to basically be their it department. They were opening a new branch. I was there doing the final preparations as the grand opening was the next morning. Everything was done, I told the vp/cto/cfo who was my main contact that I would be back the next day but everything should be set so I was calling it a day. I had a notebook with passwords, ip addresses, etc. Which I left behind by accident. I walked out the door and there was 6 cop cars in a semi circle, cops behind their car doors, guns pointed at me, screaming “get down with your hands above your head”. I’m not a fool so I got on the ground. Luckily the vp saw I left my notebook and walked out to give it to me before I drove off. He walked out and got same screaming. He basically gave them his name and titles and we were brought into the building and found the CEO.
Turns out they installed a security system and the security company tested the system to ensure it was working. They forgot to inform the cops that it was a test. The best part was I was there when the cops gave essentially a ticket for false report to the ceo, I forget the cost but it was in the tens of thousands. The ceo took the ticket “thank you officer” and without missing a beat just turned to the guy from the security company “and this is for you”. No question, no negotiation, just like you fucked up and I’m not covering it.
The issue, as I see it, is that police only need to exist if you believe force is an acceptable way to compel people’s behavior. From a nonviolent perspective, the argument can simply end there. People do not need to be policed because force itself should not be used to compel anyone against their will.
And even if you accept the premise that force is sometimes justified, you still have to reckon with the fact that any organization sanctioned to use force will always carry the risk of being captured and repurposed for ends other than its original intent. In my view, that risk is unacceptable. So even on pragmatic grounds, it is better not to create institutions whose defining feature is the sanctioned use of force.
So, tell me how would you prevent others from using force to compel other peoples behaviour in your society?
What is to prevent others from robbing, attacking or even murdering you?
Because it sounds like you just want a society where only the strong survive.
Sorry, communist, antifa terrorism. Stay where you are and a drone will find you shortly.
I don’t have anything to add, but I love seeing your comments and how passionate you are. Keep up the good fight!
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why? they won’t do anything, which is the reason why a majority of women don’t.
Odd that so many women feel they can’t or shouldn’t report it then. An estimated 60-80% of sexual assaults go unreported. So it’s nice that your faith in the system is so much stronger than the average sexually assaulted person.
I’ve had friends who did that! The lucky one just got raped again.
They mean well! They’re trying their best! They’re putting their lives on the line every day to keep us all so safe and warm!
Are you joking? It’s hard to tell.
that’s potate. they’re joking.
The overuse of exclamation marks is usually one tell.
Feeling edgy today?
If i was edgy I’d be supporting the thugs in uniform :)
Exactly. Stereotyping fundamentally needed systems for a society to function into your typical hate train is as stupid as it can get. We, as a society, cannot safely function without law & order, even if the institute responsible for it on some level is corrupted or filled with toxic people - the system is very much needed and you do not want to see what’s on the other side of the spectrum.
Instead of being edgy and making memes about people whose job is to protect us while also risking their lives, why not instead start with asking a question “but why are we where we are and how can we change this course?”. It’s definitely not by alienating the other side and making them appear as enemies. You guys could learn a thing or two from Scandinavia. Maybe that’s the problem - I’m from the region, so my tolerance towards 13-year old behaviour is lower.
Police are not needed. Law and Order is not needed. The system is 100% not needed.
Why libs come into leftists communities and try to hawk their deranged shit is beyond me.
And to boot your a typical smug euro who thinks everyone is American. Go look at Scandinavian places like Freetown and learn something.
Why libs come into leftists communities and try to hawk their deranged shit is beyond me.
In all fairness, I didn’t notice the community I’m on
Go look at Scandinavian places like Freetown and learn something.
Oh the irony
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No they’re fucking not ACAB does not stand for American Cops Are Bastards.
Every country has shitty police, even the up-themself Euro ones.
Oh look, here’s a Finnish government study about some of their bastardy Research: Finnish police discriminate, racially profile.
I’m not American, and once again stop this dumbarsey where you call leftist critiques of things as Russian propaganda.
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Get some bloody help, not everything in the world is Russian propaganda.
And fuck people who don’t want to abolish the police.
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