Apple has set a new deadline of November 1, 2026 for all Patreon creators to switch from Patreon's legacy billing system to the App Store's in-app purchase system in the Patreon app on the iPhone and iPad, as reported by TechCrunch. Note: This image has been edited to include a pile of cash. Patreon is a platform where creators such as YouTubers can receive payments from fans, which can be a valuable revenue stream alongside ads and sponsorships.
  • Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    9 minutes ago

    Choose another payment method. Choose another platform - web based? - where these fees don’t apply. Hell, buy a throwaway droid phone to keep your money from apple’s greedy hands.

  • lechekaflan@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6·
    4 hours ago

    Makes me think why ever since Photoshop was first created, Apple became the go-to for creatives for decades, and now Apple thinks it wants more money than just the fanatics going after their latest product.

    • stellargmite@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      4 minutes ago

      Apple screwed their pro market anyway. Sometime back . The history with apple and creatives relates more to print history I’d guess . Adobe needs to be ditched , and is in some areas. Windows is a shitshow as we know. There are lessening reasons to be wedded to either Mac OS or Windows as they continue to enshittify and I for one welcome it.

  • Hawanja@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6·
    4 hours ago

    Yet another reason to never ever use Apple. So if I just use the Patreon website and not an app, do I still have to give Apple 30% of my money? Seems like that should be illegal.

    • winkerjadams@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      5·
      4 hours ago

      Thats exactly how it works for twitch and other stuff. If you’re on mobile go to the website instead of the app otherwise they take a cut

      • Petter1@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        2·
        59 minutes ago

        Many apps either only sell on website or just make it 30% more expensive when paid via app
        That is long the case

  • Dewege@feddit.orgEnglish
    55·
    8 hours ago

    To follow this logic: if you use an e-banking app, Apple will soon claim to be entitled to 30% of all transactions. Same for paypal, ebay, you name it

    • NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.worldEnglish
      37·
      6 hours ago

      Apple charges 30% when you sell digital goods within an app. That’s not the same as moving money in your bank account or buying something on eBay.

      It’s still robbery, but it’s not the same.

      When people subscribe, they typically get something digital in return on Patreon.

  • gaymer@aussie.zoneEnglish
    14·
    7 hours ago

    People need to stop buying apple products. So many controversies and still people keep buying apple products. Its like people really dont care about ethics , environment and other human beings. Oh wait…

    • MortUS@lemmy.worldEnglish
      35·
      5 hours ago

      Right, the alternatives are sooooooooooo much better. Googles track record is on point , android for the win.

      Getting rid of Apple entirely would be like removing Coke from the beverage marketplace. It just allows the competition to worsen and consumer choice to be less.

      Apple > Google as a company in every moral category

  • Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
    35·
    12 hours ago

    Just crank all iOS user payments up by 30%, explain why, and let nature sort itself out.

    • Tilgare@lemmy.worldEnglish
      23·
      8 hours ago

      Apple doesn’t allow this - they expect your price to be the same everywhere or they’ll remove the app from their store or decline version updates. There have historically been a few high profile exceptions privately negotiated, and I think they were forced to relax this in the last year or two, but here they are again trying to claw away money they did literally nothing to earn.

      • Spezi@feddit.orgEnglish
        5·
        7 hours ago

        Instagram puts way more than 30% on their ads when purchasing through iOS

        If you buy 100€ of ad budget, they want you to pay an additional 42.5% apple service fee and additional taxes here in Germany.

        If I do it through their ad center suddenly the taxes are already included in the budget so if I pay 100€ I get 100€. So in the end, Meta charges iOS users an additional 70% vs what they usually charge.

      • Pyr@lemmy.caEnglish
        3·
        7 hours ago

        I have an app which reduces the quality of the app for apple users to force them to subscribe more than Android users.

        The price is the same, but on android there’s no limit to the number of saves you can keep whereas Apple has a limit of 5 and you need to Subscribe at $30/year to unlock more saves.

    • boonhet@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      161·
      11 hours ago

      Patreon gives creators the option to either increase their prices in the iOS app only, or absorb the fee themselves, keeping prices the same across platforms.

      It’s already an option and if you read the article, only 4% are still on the legacy billing system (no Apple tax at all)

      iOS users using a browser don’t pay the Apple Tax. And the only reason to pay through the app is if you specifically want to use Apple Pay (e.g to pay with your phone bill instead of your credit card).

      At this point it’s a “stupid tax” more than anything.

      • mholiv@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11·
        11 hours ago

        Small clarification. Apple Pay is not really paying with your phone bill. I think you can but most users just have their credit card or debit card linked.

        • boonhet@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          1·
          11 hours ago

          That’s why I used e.g instead of i.e :) That’s one use case for Apple Pay that you can’t get from the website. Another would be that you don’t share your card details with whoever Patreon’s payment processor is - which might make sense if you trust Apple more than some particular processor

  • network_switch@lemmy.mlEnglish
    27·
    12 hours ago

    Terribly need degoogled android to become popular and/or a normal Linux distribution phone to become popular so that normal Linux market share couldn’t be ignored

  • madcaesar@lemmy.worldEnglish
    48·
    14 hours ago

    I fucking hate mega corps. It’s never fucking enough… Ever… Apple has more money than some countries yet these assholes want ever more…

    Tax all these assholes into oblivion!

    • some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.worldEnglish
      19·
      12 hours ago

      Right? You’d think Patreon would throw their weight against Apple, as this is clearly not in their best interest. Threaten to pull the app, and if Apple follows through, they get nothing. Alternatively, move payments entirely outside of the app and force Apple to either do something which is guaranteed to be extremely unpopular, or call their bluff. But they won’t do these things or even try to negotiate Apple’s cut.

      Apple may appear to swing the biggest dick here, but I am so disgusted by these weak companies just immediately bending over without a fight.

      As always, it’s the creators who will be faced with hardship, but neither entity seems to give a shit.

      • ranzispa@mander.xyzEnglish
        4·
        11 hours ago

        Is It better for patreon to lose 30% of income from Apple pay, or to have Apple users not being able to pay unless they open the webpage and pay from there? Is it better for them to remove the app altogether and have users on Apple forced to use it through the website?

        I’d imagine they’d lose quite a bit of subscriptions if they did that. Is that more or less than 30% is something I don’t know.

        • some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          8 hours ago

          They could go on the offensive with messaging and get subscribers to apply pressure on Apple to keep things the same… Would it work? Probably not, but it might get some of the Apple users onside.

    • boonhet@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      2·
      11 hours ago

      You can already pay on the website. If you pay through Apple Pay and therefore pay the extra 30%, that’s kinda on you at this point.

      Cunt move by Apple, but the in-app purchase payment processing going through apple only rule has been there for a long ass time, Patreon got pretty lucky that they were given so much leeway for so long.

  • Hemingways_Shotgun@lemmy.caEnglish
    711·
    15 hours ago

    What exactly does Apple think that they’re brining to the equation in order to deserve that 30? Is it simply that they’re hosting an app on their store, so therefore they’re entitled to a cut?

    So if I write a novel, and get it published, Microsoft can say "We deserve 30% because you used our product to produce your product?

    I’m so fucking tired of corporations. It’s well past guillotine-o-clock.

    • Croquette@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      10·
      13 hours ago

      It’s a holdover from retail where had to physically hold your product and had limited space.

      Now, the shareholders demand even more money and Apple has complete control on the OS and they are signaling that you can’t do shit and they will take whatever they want.

      They can fight anyone in courts, and as long as the laws have no teeth, they will get away with it.

    • dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      195·
      15 hours ago

      What exactly does Apple think that they’re brining to the equation in order to deserve that 30?

      Because Valve can and Tim wants his yachts. No one is gonna stop em either. The App Store and Steam are the same thing: Store fronts that sell other peoples goods. You may say that Steam is just an app—don’t tell me, tell your representatives

        • dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          33·
          13 hours ago

          You may say that Steam is just an app—don’t tell me, tell your representatives

          Tell your representatives, not me. According to our representatives, what Apple has is not a monopoly. You don’t have to convince me, you have to convince them. If you truly care about this issue, vote accordingly.

          • ayyy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            3·
            11 hours ago

            I don’t understand why you think it’s ok to knowingly present a false equivalency then. You clearly know it’s not true, so why repeat the lie?

            • dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
              41·
              10 hours ago

              Because thats how they’re getting away with it? Who cares if it’s true or not, no one who can do anything about it cares. Tell your reps to start caring about monopolies.

      • RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        11 hours ago

        It’s a little different though. Valve is providing the actual platform, and running it. Apple doesn’t own Patreon, they simply host a client.

    • brianpeiris@lemmy.caEnglish
      10·
      12 hours ago

      3.78 Trillion dollar market cap. You don’t get to that valuation by being generous to your customers. Apple is as capitalist as any of them. They’re just wrapped in shiny marketing. Now only if their fans understood that.

    • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
      5·
      13 hours ago

      One way, or another, that revenue stream will go to shit, they’re just doing a smash and grab while they can.