• 474D@lemmy.world
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    Would things be great under Democrats? No. Would things be NOT ENTIRELY THIS FUCKED right now? Fucking yes. There’s such a thing as progressing and we are not getting that by withholding votes and letting the literal Nazi side have full power

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      There’s such a thing as progressing

      Which we don’t fucking get with democrats. At best, we get the status quo. At worst, we get Nazi collaboration, which is what the current democrat party is. Nazi collaborators.

      Shut the fuck up with this lesser of two evils bullshit. The democrats are fascists as well, they just aren’t honest about it like the republicans are.

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        just because you didn’t see your rights advance in your lifetime doesn’t mean some of us saw ours expand massively, solely under the democrats. they ain’t perfect, but at least they ain’t actively fighting us.

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        Well, as long as the voters dont gara during the midterms, here we are, and here we shall stay.

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        All the Republicans and a handful of Democrats. So it’s obviously the D who are worse and to blame. #MurcsLaw

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          You still haven’t caught onto the rotating villain shit? I’m old enough to remember when it was Joe Lieberman (who was a fuckin VP candidate lmao).

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          It’s always just enough Democrats. If it weren’t these, it would be others. You’ll know the pattern changed when the party starts supporting primary challenges to the “defectors”.

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          Where is the condemnation from Democratic leadership for those individuals? This is what the Democrats want, they just want it to be done in a quieter manner.

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          It is thr joh of the democratic party to resist this. If they cant even get their own people to resist, it is either incompetence or it is willful and purposeful.

          In either case, they are failures and should not be voted for until they actually fight for the people

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      But but I was promised that if I voted Jill Stein, I’d be teaching DNC a lesson!

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    Or perhaps the problem is just the dated US election and governmental system as a whole that is intrinsically less democratic than most of the remaining monarchies are by now?

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      If only it were that easy… European countries with supposedly “better” burgoise democracies are in decline too. The crisis of capitalism is universal. You can’t reduce it to a crisis of democracy, though that’s part of it. It’s also a crisis of production, nature, unawaged reproductive labor and imperialism. All of this has to be addressed at the same time.

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    This is the system you have. If you don’t vote you’re part of the problem

    Only voting you can ask to elected people to change things. Maybe ranked elections would allow more parties and candidates

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      If it’s obvious how FPTP works, then the candidates who play dumb about ranked voting actually support fascism.

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      Voting does little to nothing compared to actual working class organization. Ranked choice doesn’t change the calculus that the parties allowed by the capitalist system support it and protect it from the left.

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        Yeah this mentality elected Trump when many lefties refused to vote. Maybe you have gone last chance on midterms, maybe it’s too late and the system will only make the controlling party to win. Not sure. But if people refuse to vote, I don’t think they ever have the chance.

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          If lefties refusing to vote for genocide actually meaningfully steered the election, then it’s the fault of the DNC for running on a pro-genocide platform and alienating lefties. No, the DNC doesn’t represent the working classes in any capacity, neither does the GOP. With or without midterms or a general election, revolution has always been necessary, and that will not change.

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            You don’t get it. Lefties didn’t vote and helped to speed up and increase the genocide. They helped the plan a lot by not voting and their hands has blood too, they can lie to themselves when they “washed their hands” but they had a choice and they prefer to let MAGA choose for them.

            MAGA is voting, like it or not, and not voting only help them

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              The DNC would not have stopped the genocide, they have consistently funded and supplied it. Further, even if the DNC lost because Leftists sat out (which there’s no evidence that this is the case), it means the DNC ran a pro-genocide campaign and alienated a vital voting bloc in doing so.

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      Only [by] voting you can ask to elected people to change things.

      How about we replace that system with one where we don’t have to ask nicely to change things for the better?

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        Yeah. You can only do that by voting. Be careful with infiltrated agitators that just want to give reasons for martial law

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            So, add a recall election mechanism and let everything else play out the same?

            Because most parts of the US would probably reelect the same candidate if an election was held tomorrow (literally the standard polling question).

            Renaming things doesn’t make them work better.

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              So, add a recall election mechanism and let everything else play out the same?

              No, that’s not what I said. I want to abolish rulers completely.

              Council democracy isn’t based on electoral parliament, but on general assemblies.