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Vote for people with actual integrity who don’t lie for popularity?
Watch out folks, there’s a lot of people in this thread who have been manipulated by the Democrats into saying you shouldn’t vote for the Democrats.
The democrats are owned by Israel and the same Zionist billionaires but any time I bring up this easily provable fact people always freak out and mob because I’m saying both sides are bad. It’s literally the facts https://www.trackaipac.com/congress
It’s over for establishment Dems in my eyes. I refuse to vote for any candidate that is a Zionist or a liberal. I voted for them my whole life and this is where it got me. I’d rather not vote and let MAGA destroy this country than allow those snakes into office again.
They aren’t just going to destroy this country, they’re going to bring a holocaust here to the U.S. I hope you’re proud of yourself for taking a stand though. You and every other purist who can’t be bothered to vote because the candidate doesn’t support exactly what you believe in are responsible for this mess.
Lol, please. I’m supposed to vote for the people that cozy up to the billionaire class, support imperialism, aren’t even all that opposed to our current fascism, and fully support a current genocide? I surely won’t lose any sleep for my non-vote. Put up progressives or GTFO.
In an effort to gain
votes from moderates and republicanscampaign contributions from billionaires(Not even a dig, just the economic reality of modern campaign finance. What do you do, as a progressive running against a fascist, if you’re offered a chance to 10x your reach, and “all you have to do” is downplay your most controversial positions?)
(Edit: Quotes around “all you have to do”)
The thing is that they do not simply stop saying what they supposedly believe, they work towards policies that aren’t in the interests of their voters.
Oh yeah, the rest of the meme still 100% applies.
You know the four most
expensivedangerous words in the English language, right? “This time it’s different”.
The meme mentions this like it’s a Democrat issue, but Republicans do the same thing.
For example, Trump disavowed Project 2025 policies as too extreme, but then obviously followed them very closely.
The issue is election winners are almost always the one with >50% popular support. So candidates are incentivized to align their policies with those of the median voter. This persists across different voting systems, so rebuilding it for that reason may not help.
But you can still elect a progressive by voting for them in the primary election (where they can be more authentic) or if the median voter becomes more progressive (more progressives vote).
So candidates are incentivized to align their policies with those of the median voter.
*The median donor. The median voter is way to the left of your average Dem politician.
he didn’t stop trum from getting elected to a second term
edit: somehow responded to the wrong comment. whoops
Joe Biden changed nothing. Even if Kamala Harris won, nothing would have changed. Without changes people like Trump will always be able to win elections. So until the democratic party is willing to bring some real changes, I say let things fall fast, then something new can be built without the Republicans or democrats.
Written like someone who doesn’t understand the goddamn point of primaries & local activism.
I see where you’re coming from, but “let things fall fast” is playing right into the hands of capital. Times of crisis aren’t storms to be waiting out; they’re opportunities for radical organization and action.
“I say let things fall fast”
You must not be in the crosshairs of the Trump regime… yet.
Well I’m pretty sure everyone on this platform is considered a domestic terrorist now because of NSPM-7. I’m still not going to vote for liberals or Zionists. I’d rather die fighting.
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shut your gringo ass up you ballotmunching Uncle Tom freak
demanding that the opposition not trail the right-wing on every single talking point and give a single fuck about the lives that the so-called US would continue to destroy beyond its borders is not accelerationism or ‘whiteness’.
when non-‘United’ SStateSSians have to listen to you about your fucking ‘damage control’ instead of actually doing anything you sound like two SS officers bickering over how painful our torment should be. we don’t fucking care about your comfort you imperial hog.
the collapse of US soft power institutions under Trump has been a fucking godsend for the rest of us trying to actually improve our nations.
stop running DARVO for your abuser and find a healthier relationship with politics.
You know, people are allowed to do things even if the lesser of two evils is elected. They can protest(more freely) to demand change. Now they are just shot. Whatever people planned to do of Trump won, they could do of Trump lost.
Now they are just shot.
?They can protest(more freely) to demand change.
Yes, like those Palestine protests in 2024 that were so gladly welcomed by the liberal establishment. Those protesters were absolutely not decried as useful idiots, Russian trolls or both. Stop kidding yourself. Regarding imperialism specifically like 80% (random guess) of the US gargles fucking MIC balls when it’s democrats at the helm.
Trump and the destruction of democracy and nuclear proliferation and more maga lifetime judge appointments is the better alternative for the next 4 years?
Joe Biden changed nothing.
really? Joe Biden continued disregarding the CDC with regards to COVID and a zillion other things he did different to trump?
Joe Biden continued disregarding the CDC with regards to COVID
His administration repeatedly said that the pandemic was over, you don’t need to wear masks anymore, you can go back to work, and then Omicron happened. None of that was at any point ever true. Biden himself caught COVID during the very press release he gave to say COVID was over in September of 2022! COVID/Long COVID are still billable conditions in hospitals; doesn’t sound very “over” to me! Everyone is always sick. They sell 4-in-1 swab tests OTC at pharmacies now. Is it really over? “Back to normal” happened with his administration’s blessings in 2022, and that playbook was primed as early as the second year of the pandemic in 2021, under Biden. Now no one cares about the most communicable disease in history that shows no evidence of ever being cleared, has no cure, and is still spreading and mutating to be vaccine-avoidant like a wildfire, not just the anti-vaccination crowd. Tons of opportunistic viruses re-emerge with new outbreaks of one terrible thing or another spreading every year because people are wrecking their immune systems catching COVID over and over and over, even while vaccinated. All of that happened during the Biden years. All of that continues to happen because the good blue man said we could go to the movies again. He is culpable.
what are your current daily covid prevention steps?
EDIT : And are you sure you want to claim that Biden’s covid plan is as bad as “shove lightbulbs up your ass, wash down horse de-wormer with bleach”?
So… vote for the fascists instead. Great work 👍
No, organize in orgs like PSL. Nobody is suggesting voting for the GOP, but instead realizing voting cannot fix a fundamentally broken system, and that it needs to be replaced.
or primariesa spoiler effect happens when a losing candidate affects the results of an election simply by participating
Vote splitting is the most common cause of spoiler effects in FPP. In these systems, the presence of many ideologically-similar candidates causes their vote total to be split between them, placing these candidates at a disadvantage. This is most visible in elections where a minor candidate draws votes away from a major candidate with similar politics, thereby causing a strong opponent of both to win.
This willful ignorance of the spoiler effect is tiresome denialism of mathematics. We’ve already seen the consequences.
Voting vs other actions isn’t a dichotomy - you can vote for the lesser evil to buy time, AND do the things that will make a real and lasting impact.
In our current system though, red team vs blue IS a dichotomy - using your vote you can nudge the counter a tiny bit closer to one side or the other; or opt out / vote third, which both equate to doing nothing and letting you’re countrymen choose for you, but the potential results are the same: red or blue.
So, you can use your vote however you want, but I’d recommend pitching that nudge away from the more blatant Nazis. …but also build those guillotines for use against hostile actors regardless of party.
What folks 100% should NOT do though is vote and then consider their ‘civic duty’ satisfied, which is ofc the sentiment OP is aimed at.
Voting for a different party of genocidal imperialists doesn’t actually buy time to organize, though. Both parties fund ICE, both wage war on the global south, both are actively against worker organization that stands to threaten the system they both stand for.
I personally do not care if someone votes, as long as they are also organizing. If someone is only engaged with politics via voting, then they have no leg to stand on when others advocate for voting third party and organizing in real life. If someone organizes and happens to vote DNC, I really could not care less, they can do that as long as they actually participate in party building.
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abstaining or voting third party in any general election is a vote for the republican candidate.
oh i was told by one of your ‘republicans’ that it’s actually a vote for ‘democrat’.
three votes for the price of one? third-parties sound pretty powerful.
fake ass electoral system.
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No, that’s not how first past the post works. Voting third party is a vote for third party, not for the GOP nor DNC, as neither represents me. You’re assuming my vote would be for the DNC by default for your math, but that’s not correct, I condemn both the GOP and DNC. That’s the reality, and it doesn’t matter what fuzzy logic you use to justify what you believe.
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I understand the spoiler effect, but since neither party represents me in any capacity, there’s nothing to spoil. PSL represents me. I also understand that it’s impossible for a working class party to win, currently, so I actually organize politically in real life, year-round, not just voting once in a while and talking online. MAGA took power because the US Empire is declining, and the DNC is incapable of representing the working classes, so there has been a rightward shift.
Even if every single third-party voter voted Harris in every state, she still would have lost. Nothing you claimed is true in any capacity.
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Do you have any evidence whatsoever that I’m either Russian or a bot? I’m a Statesian communist, accusing me of being a spooky scary foreigner and dehumanizing me for disagreeing with you is low.
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