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hexbear
the wokes
Okay now that’s hilarious
Am I taking crazy pills? Last I heard hexbear doesn’t even exist anymore.
Are yall so laser focused on feudposting you missed that piece of news?
Regardless of whether you’re politically left or right, I feel like the hexbear crowd is just tremendously unfriendly. Even when I agree with them, I usually feel bad reading what they have to say. Being unwelcoming is not a good strategy for proliferating one’s politics.
they will quite literally tear you up if you so much as do an outside think, i posted one comment, and got banned immediately.
Lol, the pro China, pro putin folks who let pedo-Don win the election are woke?
The only people who let Trump win the election are the democrats. We spent years telling them what they need to do to win, instead they chose to end covid protections, divert covid funds to the police, build Trump’s wall, facilitate genocide, and other extremely unpopular policy.
They knew these policies were unpopular among everyone who might vote democrat, they chose to do it anyway.
You keep yelling at them to do what you want. But if you’re such a formidable power to influence the elections, you could’ve done it already, in a way that was clearly presented to you.
You didn’t.
That means that either you overestimate the number of people that think like you, or all of you don’t know or care how to participate in democracy.
Both of those options mean you know jack shit about what to do to win the elections, and can only yell on social media.
That by the way says nothing about the validity of your claims, you could be morally correct and advocate for objectively good things, but if they aren’t getting you in power, it doesn’t matter.you overestimate the number of people that think like you
It doesn’t matter how people think, left policy is overwhelmingly popular and republican policy is only popular with republicans!
How the hell are you arguing that the democrats did the right thing, when they lost. They chose policies that they knew would decrease turnout with their base to appeal to “moderate republicans”, and once again, the “moderate republicans” voted for republicans.
you know jack shit about what to do to win the elections, and can only yell on social media.
We’ve tried every thing in our power to influence the democrats. When we protest, they send police to silence us.
Maybe I’m misreading that link of yours, but it shows that four specific policies have popular support. It certainly doesn’t show that all of the Democrat Party policies have overwhelming support. The recent election proved that about as definitively as is possible in American election history.
You have zero idea how popular progressive ideas among voters, because you motherfuchers don’t vote. Random polls means nothing if they aren’t followed by votes, and they aren’t.
Last time they run they were running much more conservative campaign with an old white dude woth much more conservative platform and they won. That’s also not the whoe story of course, but this explanation fit more precisely than yours.We’ve tried every thing in our power
Oh my. Have you tried voting for the candidate you like? Bernie lost popular vote (I repeat, popular vote) (I repeat again, popular vote) twice when he was nominating. Have you and your hoards of silent majority, tried sending a fucking mail twice in a decade?
Again, if you all did, that’s an indication that there is not enough of you and US is a conservative shithole where most of the people want monstrous policies.
If you didn’t, that means you aren’t citizens, and your opinion doesn’t matter for the purposes of the government, you’re children and should be treated as such.
I don’t know which is worse.Last time they run they were running much more conservative campaign
Biden barely scraped by the skin of his ass, and my experience phone-banking in 2020, half the voters I talked to thought Biden was for free healthcare, cannabis, defunding the police, freeing the ICE camps, and free college because he was the democratic candidate.
Meanwhile Kamala said the only thing that would be different from Biden’s administration is that she would appoint a republican to the cabinet and ran on building Trump’s wall. The dem messaging went right of 2020 on trans people, crime, foreign policy, economic policy.
The average voter is very low information when it comes to politics, but they know healthcare is too expensive, they know college is too expensive, they know locking migrants in cages is bad.
Left policy is popular because it materially improves people’s immediate conditions. It doesn’t matter whether someone has conservative ideas or not when their livelihood depends on a specific policy. When you weaken it or add a bunch of means-testing and complicated rules, your supporters will care less, and your opposition will continue to oppose you.
You had the choice between satan and a random jerk, you chose to abstain.
I live in SC, my vote had no effect on the outcome of the election. The only possible thing I could do to affect the outcome of the election was telling dems to stop doing things that decreased turnout, such as facilitating genocide and pretending to be powerless, and do things that would increase turnout such as legalizing cannabis, putting Trump in prison, facilitating women’s healthcare.
Instead the democrats called us antisemites and BlueMAGA dipshits like you assured everyone that the democrats could win by maintaining the course.
That didn’t happen. You should have been next to us screaming at the democrats to stop driving us over the cliff, but instead you criticize people who were literally powerless to affect the outcome of the election for not being silent as the democrats drove the bus off the cliff.
my vote had no effect
Yeah, but not for the reasons you think. It’s because you deeply don’t understand anything about how US government works and what plays to your elections. Simultaneously you claim that you know what strategy Democratic party should adopt to win.
I’m not american but, are the “democrates” and “BlueMaga” (now what the fuck is this??) in the room with us right now? Did you vote, really?
Don’t know what to tell you folks who keep constantly posting non-constructive conversations by just blaming everything on capitalism. No solutions other than offering communism, rioting, and constantly bitching. That gets old.
No solutions other than offering a solution.
You’re literally using a communist platform right now. Owned and run by “the workers”, and free to use.
Ok, comrad.
Hexbear is also just straight up dead rn, can’t see their shit til they secure a new domain
This thread brought out a ton of tone police lol
That’s why the folks really worried about tankies make alt accounts to go hunting for bad takes to share with the unfederated.
I’ve seen “hexbear” but have no idea what it is, so clearly it’s not ruining anything for me.
Hexbear, grad and .ml are the Tankie Triad, .world defed’s from Hex and grad because Hex is the worst, Grad is runner up. .ml tends to be more subtle about it and has largely avoided a more mass defederation movement like what happened with hex and grad
.ml is not subtle, they just circlejerk within their sub a shit ton, rather than infesting other communities. Usually the idiots tend to congregate it seems.
Cal xi winnie and see how sublte .ml are :D
Wait, what do you mean .World isn’t Federated???
With hexbear specifically
Ah, thank you.
This whole instance-tribalism seems very self-defeating to me. Why be decentralised if everyone ends up so boxed off that there are just a handful of isolated instance-clusters talking amongst themselves? It’s like how email (SMTP) is decentralised but the mega-hosts act like a cabal, gatekeeping so strongly (and virtually doing blocklist-by-default for unrecognised servers - even of good standing) ultimately capturing the user-base by undermining the decentralisation. Luckily with DKIM/SPF/DMARC/ARC/etc and stronger anti-trust regulations email seems to be slowly climbing back out of that hole. Unfortunately with all the banal tribalism it feels like much of the new Activitypub based tech users are willfully climbing into that same hole, without even being corralled there by mega-hosts.
I’m pretty sure if we’re excluding instances with troll farms or hosting illegal material, the map of Lemmy instances is still kind of a single amorphous blob, with nearly all connected instances being just 1 connection away from their blocked instances. These can’t be defined as isolated instance-clusters. Lemmy.world users seem to always know what hexbear users are up to because of their federated neighbors, lol.
Lemmy.world users seem to always know what hexbear users are up to because of their federated neighbors
Nah, they think they know what hexbear users are up to because random folk make shit up and nobody calls them on it, because they’re defederated.
The stuff random folk “make up” perfectly aligns with the experiences I had before I blocked them, so I have no reason to call them on it.
You would think so. But .world cannot help themselves from slinging their shit over the fence.
Their mods remove posts critical of .world for “harassment” but gladly leave up blanket insults against instances more left wing than them.
Their mods remove posts critical of .world for “harassment” but gladly leave up blanket insults against instances more left wing than them.
boy you have an entire conspiracy theory worked up already.
wow
Btw to anybody who comes across this user is a .ml Tankie, so anything not a tankie is right-wing to them
And Tankies = Authoritarian “communists” so basically, they’re pro-CCP, pro-Russia/Putin and neither can do no wrong in their eyes or it’s just CIA propaganda.
Anything critical of either, no matter how factual, historical or deserving it is is swiftly removed under their favorite catch-all “Rule 1 bigotry” on .ml
Lemmy.world seem to be more middle-of-the-road on many things while Lemmy.ml and Hexbear seem pretty intolerant to me
I think it was on Lemmy.ml that I saw someone have their posts deleted allegedly for spreading US propaganda or some reason like that, when all they had said was that the war in Ukraine was started by Russia invading Ukraine in 2014 (I’m pretty sure this is factually true and Ukraine didn’t invade any of Russia until 2024)
.world has a Zionist rating website (mbfc) as their “allowed sources” list. Tolerance is very subjective.
In my view, horseshoe theory is pretty accurate
For example, people in the middle recognise that Ukraine was the victim of an invasion, but people on the far-right and far-left both insist that Russia is the real victim for some reason
Maybe it’s because both the far-right and far-left envy the state power that Putin has?
It actually looks more like this
IMO the conspiracy theory culture is to the point where some folks will believe anything but what is presented as mainstream truth. It’s the “I’m smarter than that” mentality that started with right wing AM radio in the 80’s. It’s reached into all parts of the political spectrum
Maybe reality is just too depressing so people invent narratives that they prefer.
Nearly everyone outside of the enlightened rational centrists has soured on this whole idea of “benevolent interventionism,” with very good reason. We’ve seen how our leaders used lies and deception time and time again to get involved in pointless, destructive wars for their own interests. People look back at Iraq and Afghanistan, and Vietnam, etc, and say they were obviously unjustified, but at the time people supported them, and everyone was immersed in propaganda. Of course, in every war, those who push back for any reason are always accused of treason and supporting the other side, whether the specific term is pinko, terrorist sympathizer, or tankie.
It’s really no mystery why a bunch of disparate political groups oppose a conflict halfway around the world under the same leadership and media that led us into Iraq and Afghanistan, the mystery is why liberals are so willing to trust them again.
I’m not saying I support western intervention in Ukraine necessarily. I wish there was no war at all over there. I’m just saying that between Ukraine and Russia, Russia has been the aggressor. Also I’ve definitely seen some Lemmy leftists (but definitely not all leftists out there) who are in favour of Putin’s regime, for unknown reasons.
It’s really no mystery why a bunch of disparate political groups oppose a conflict halfway around the world
You’re basically proving my point by admitting that you do have a very similar view to the far-right.
It’s not a horseshoe, it’s merely authoritarianism
I just think it’s interesting that the people who get referred to as “tankies” claim to be on the left, but they often support the regime of Putin, a regime which is arguably fascist. I guess that’s one reason why I think the far-left and far-right are pretty similar.
But are we engaging with political ideas in good faith if we evaluate them based on the behaviour of specific people whose actions don’t really line up with those ideas?
I’m not dismissing all of leftism, I’m just referring to so-called “tankies”: e.g. people from Hexbear who themselves absolutely do not engage with political ideas “in good faith”.
Aren’t world the wokes/libs/whatever is the current pejorative
Apparently everyone’s a “lib” when you’re an authoritarian
Compared to the rest of Lemmy they’re not very woke
Nah world is full of liberals but they get real uppity when you start going after liberalism from the left
They’re the reddit users that think reddit 2024 is too left wing.
They’re the reddit users that believe the only thing wrong with reddit is too many ads.
They’re the reddit users that think voting is an effective measure in a captured kakistocracy.
They’re the reddit users that believe Biden is most left wing president in US history.
In short, yes.
They’re the reddit users that think voting is all you can do to end fascism.
They’re the reddit users that think if you question authority you must love the other party’s authority.
They’re the reddit users that think anything to the left of them must be ignored, and anything to the right of them is just misunderstood.
.world has more insufferable people than any other community, it has the most spots on my blocklist. I’d block the entire thing if it didn’t cripple my hobby communities and some of the few good ones from it.
Nope, Tankie is very clearly defined as “Authoritarian Communists”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof. More specifically, the term has been applied to those who express support for one-party Marxist–Leninist socialist republics, whether contemporary or historical. It is commonly used by anti-authoritarian leftists, including anarchists, libertarian socialists, left communists, democratic socialists, and reformists to criticise Leninism, although the term has seen increasing use by liberal and right‐wing factions as well.
liberal is the tankie version of screaming woke at everything.
Source: you
You’re right, we should focus on Lemmy.ml instead.
They are not as extreme, but you cannot realistically have a civilized discussion on their servers. Unfortunately they are much more established with several big communities which are hesitant to move to more reasonable servers so while hexbear was an easy insta-ban for me and most other Lemmy users, we’re stuck individually blocking ml users for now.
But hopefully because of the idiotic choice of the ml domain, they will eventually go the way of hexbear.
They are not as extreme
IMO they’re just more subtle about it because they don’t want a larger call for defed to happen, I’m sure they all have alts on Hex/Grad where they let out their…“restraints”.
They’re very quick to deride .world as nothing but a “Reddit 2.0 CIA front propaganda machine” and yet won’t defed from it themselves…
I blocked the entire instance and I’m doing just fine.
That doesn’t really help retain newcomers any if we all just bury our heads in the sand
I mean, it’s better than nothing I guess
