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Regardless of whether you’re politically left or right, I feel like the hexbear crowd is just tremendously unfriendly. Even when I agree with them, I usually feel bad reading what they have to say. Being unwelcoming is not a good strategy for proliferating one’s politics.
they will quite literally tear you up if you so much as do an outside think, i posted one comment, and got banned immediately.
hahaha, for those who like to play along, it’s always fun to check the moderation history of the user under the comment with the three dot menu when someone complains about bans. I actually lol’d when I saw the ban from lemmy.ml/c/chess.
Depends, if you’re a Communist or an Anarchist and aren’t being sectarian (except against, like, Gonzaloists that support Gonzalo and defend Pol Pot), it’s very friendly. By not allowing liberalism, it ends up stopping endless arguments between leftists and liberals before they can even start.
You’re right, we should focus on Lemmy.ml instead.
They are not as extreme, but you cannot realistically have a civilized discussion on their servers. Unfortunately they are much more established with several big communities which are hesitant to move to more reasonable servers so while hexbear was an easy insta-ban for me and most other Lemmy users, we’re stuck individually blocking ml users for now.
But hopefully because of the idiotic choice of the ml domain, they will eventually go the way of hexbear.
They are not as extreme
IMO they’re just more subtle about it because they don’t want a larger call for defed to happen, I’m sure they all have alts on Hex/Grad where they let out their…“restraints”.
They’re very quick to deride .world as nothing but a “Reddit 2.0 CIA front propaganda machine” and yet won’t defed from it themselves…
I blocked the entire instance and I’m doing just fine.
I’m glad you’re using lemmy the way you want and not being weird and expecting the admission to block things for you. Take care, peace.
Don’t talk to me.
That doesn’t really help retain newcomers any if we all just bury our heads in the sand
I mean, it’s better than nothing I guess
I sure have lol
Welcome to a tutorial on how to block .ml on your personal account.
In the top right corner of the top of the page, there are 3 horizontal white bars. Click it.
This will open up a drop down menu. At the bottom of that menu, you will see your username. Click it.
This will open another drop down menu with 3 options. Click “Settings”.
At the top of your screen you will see 2 tabs. Click the one that says “Blocks”.
Here you will see “Block user” “Block community” and “Block instance”. Click the down arrow below “Block instance”.
This will open up a search bar. Type “lemmy.ml” and click it after it shows up.
That’s it! You’ve blocked .ml and will never see content from the instance. Now you don’t need to make a feud post every day complaining about .ml and other instances you disapprove of. Think of all the time you will save!
But wait, we aren’t done yet in this menu. Click the down arrow under “Block user”. Now type “UltraGiGaGigantic” Make sure you select my .ml account as the other ones I no longer use. Thanks, appreciate it.
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Please don’t
Why?
I got permabanned from Hexbear for simply denouncing ageism. Apparently not falling for the divisive labels they stick on every generation so they can blame each other is not tolerated.
90% of the time these assertions are BS, so evidence or it didn’t happen.
Hexbear is also just straight up dead rn, can’t see their shit til they secure a new domain
Lol, the pro China, pro putin folks who let pedo-Don win the election are woke?
The only people who let Trump win the election are the democrats. We spent years telling them what they need to do to win, instead they chose to end covid protections, divert covid funds to the police, build Trump’s wall, facilitate genocide, and other extremely unpopular policy.
They knew these policies were unpopular among everyone who might vote democrat, they chose to do it anyway.
You keep yelling at them to do what you want. But if you’re such a formidable power to influence the elections, you could’ve done it already, in a way that was clearly presented to you.
You didn’t.
That means that either you overestimate the number of people that think like you, or all of you don’t know or care how to participate in democracy.
Both of those options mean you know jack shit about what to do to win the elections, and can only yell on social media.
That by the way says nothing about the validity of your claims, you could be morally correct and advocate for objectively good things, but if they aren’t getting you in power, it doesn’t matter.you overestimate the number of people that think like you
It doesn’t matter how people think, left policy is overwhelmingly popular and republican policy is only popular with republicans!
How the hell are you arguing that the democrats did the right thing, when they lost. They chose policies that they knew would decrease turnout with their base to appeal to “moderate republicans”, and once again, the “moderate republicans” voted for republicans.
you know jack shit about what to do to win the elections, and can only yell on social media.
We’ve tried every thing in our power to influence the democrats. When we protest, they send police to silence us.
Maybe I’m misreading that link of yours, but it shows that four specific policies have popular support. It certainly doesn’t show that all of the Democrat Party policies have overwhelming support. The recent election proved that about as definitively as is possible in American election history.
You have zero idea how popular progressive ideas among voters, because you motherfuchers don’t vote. Random polls means nothing if they aren’t followed by votes, and they aren’t.
Last time they run they were running much more conservative campaign with an old white dude woth much more conservative platform and they won. That’s also not the whoe story of course, but this explanation fit more precisely than yours.We’ve tried every thing in our power
Oh my. Have you tried voting for the candidate you like? Bernie lost popular vote (I repeat, popular vote) (I repeat again, popular vote) twice when he was nominating. Have you and your hoards of silent majority, tried sending a fucking mail twice in a decade?
Again, if you all did, that’s an indication that there is not enough of you and US is a conservative shithole where most of the people want monstrous policies.
If you didn’t, that means you aren’t citizens, and your opinion doesn’t matter for the purposes of the government, you’re children and should be treated as such.
I don’t know which is worse.Last time they run they were running much more conservative campaign
Biden barely scraped by the skin of his ass, and my experience phone-banking in 2020, half the voters I talked to thought Biden was for free healthcare, cannabis, defunding the police, freeing the ICE camps, and free college because he was the democratic candidate.
Meanwhile Kamala said the only thing that would be different from Biden’s administration is that she would appoint a republican to the cabinet and ran on building Trump’s wall. The dem messaging went right of 2020 on trans people, crime, foreign policy, economic policy.
The average voter is very low information when it comes to politics, but they know healthcare is too expensive, they know college is too expensive, they know locking migrants in cages is bad.
Left policy is popular because it materially improves people’s immediate conditions. It doesn’t matter whether someone has conservative ideas or not when their livelihood depends on a specific policy. When you weaken it or add a bunch of means-testing and complicated rules, your supporters will care less, and your opposition will continue to oppose you.
You had the choice between satan and a random jerk, you chose to abstain.
I live in SC, my vote had no effect on the outcome of the election. The only possible thing I could do to affect the outcome of the election was telling dems to stop doing things that decreased turnout, such as facilitating genocide and pretending to be powerless, and do things that would increase turnout such as legalizing cannabis, putting Trump in prison, facilitating women’s healthcare.
Instead the democrats called us antisemites and BlueMAGA dipshits like you assured everyone that the democrats could win by maintaining the course.
That didn’t happen. You should have been next to us screaming at the democrats to stop driving us over the cliff, but instead you criticize people who were literally powerless to affect the outcome of the election for not being silent as the democrats drove the bus off the cliff.
I’m not american but, are the “democrates” and “BlueMaga” (now what the fuck is this??) in the room with us right now? Did you vote, really?
my vote had no effect
Yeah, but not for the reasons you think. It’s because you deeply don’t understand anything about how US government works and what plays to your elections. Simultaneously you claim that you know what strategy Democratic party should adopt to win.
LOL genocide party supporter still coping with losing
I’m not even american you idiot. I’m from one of the country your pedophile-president wants to annex lol.
Palestine thank you for letting bilionaires-nazis take the power! Now they lost their land and an ethical genocide is on the way but you and your friends will soon get the chance to go get a bigmac in gaza!!! How exiting for colonialist privilege white ass like you, writing from mom basement!!!
hexbear
the wokes
Okay now that’s hilarious
Aren’t world the wokes/libs/whatever is the current pejorative
Apparently everyone’s a “lib” when you’re an authoritarian
Compared to the rest of Lemmy they’re not very woke
They’re the reddit users that think reddit 2024 is too left wing.
They’re the reddit users that believe the only thing wrong with reddit is too many ads.
They’re the reddit users that think voting is an effective measure in a captured kakistocracy.
They’re the reddit users that believe Biden is most left wing president in US history.
In short, yes.
They’re the reddit users that think voting is all you can do to end fascism.
They’re the reddit users that think if you question authority you must love the other party’s authority.
They’re the reddit users that think anything to the left of them must be ignored, and anything to the right of them is just misunderstood.
.world has more insufferable people than any other community, it has the most spots on my blocklist. I’d block the entire thing if it didn’t cripple my hobby communities and some of the few good ones from it.
Nope, Tankie is very clearly defined as “Authoritarian Communists”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof. More specifically, the term has been applied to those who express support for one-party Marxist–Leninist socialist republics, whether contemporary or historical. It is commonly used by anti-authoritarian leftists, including anarchists, libertarian socialists, left communists, democratic socialists, and reformists to criticise Leninism, although the term has seen increasing use by liberal and right‐wing factions as well.
liberal is the tankie version of screaming woke at everything.
Source: you
Nah world is full of liberals but they get real uppity when you start going after liberalism from the left
Am I taking crazy pills? Last I heard hexbear doesn’t even exist anymore.
Are yall so laser focused on feudposting you missed that piece of news?
Hexbear exists, the domain is changing names and federation is broken for now but posting is still happening on chapo.chat.
That’s why the folks really worried about tankies make alt accounts to go hunting for bad takes to share with the unfederated.
I’ve seen “hexbear” but have no idea what it is, so clearly it’s not ruining anything for me.
Hexbear, grad and .ml are the Tankie Triad, .world defed’s from Hex and grad because Hex is the worst, Grad is runner up. .ml tends to be more subtle about it and has largely avoided a more mass defederation movement like what happened with hex and grad
Cal xi winnie and see how sublte .ml are :D
LMAO tru tru, but unfortunately the tankie admins and mods of .ml are quick to enforce the subtlety by censoring (the irony for a group that is quick to accuse others of it lmao) those kinds of posts under their catch-all “RULE1”
.ml is not subtle, they just circlejerk within their sub a shit ton, rather than infesting other communities. Usually the idiots tend to congregate it seems.
It’s a Communist/Anarchist instance, Lemmy.world defederated from it before they had a chance to federate.
Wait, what do you mean .World isn’t Federated???
With hexbear specifically
Ah, thank you.
Don’t know what to tell you folks who keep constantly posting non-constructive conversations by just blaming everything on capitalism. No solutions other than offering communism, rioting, and constantly bitching. That gets old.
No solutions other than offering a solution.
You’re literally using a communist platform right now. Owned and run by “the workers”, and free to use.
Ok, comrad.
World is federated, just not with absolute junk instances.
The point is that Lemmy.world defederated from Hexbear, so the complaints about Hexbear coming from Lemmy.world users frequently are based on second-hand information.
In my view, horseshoe theory is pretty accurate
For example, people in the middle recognise that Ukraine was the victim of an invasion, but people on the far-right and far-left both insist that Russia is the real victim for some reason
Maybe it’s because both the far-right and far-left envy the state power that Putin has?
IMO the conspiracy theory culture is to the point where some folks will believe anything but what is presented as mainstream truth. It’s the “I’m smarter than that” mentality that started with right wing AM radio in the 80’s. It’s reached into all parts of the political spectrum
Maybe reality is just too depressing so people invent narratives that they prefer.
It actually looks more like this
Worth noting that neither axis is labeled, and that the graph itself doesn’t make an effort to understand anything “tankies” support or denounce. It’s just vibes-based analysis.
I’m pretty far left, but i think ukraine was the victim of an invasion. Putin is a POS.
Fair enough. I’m definitely not saying everyone on the left is the same as the far-right, I don’t believe that at all.
It just seems to me there’s a segment of people who consider themselves on the far-left (posters from Lemmy.ml and Hexbear sometimes) who hold positions which can be quite similar to the far-right. Another position that both segments sometimes hold is that Israel shouldn’t exist. I definitely disagree a lot with the current Israeli government but if someone says Israel shouldn’t exist then you may as well say that no country should exist.
but if someone says Israel shouldn’t exist then you may as well say that no country should exist.
You’re so close.
Also, would you have said the same of people saying Nazi Germany shouldn’t exist during WW2?
You’re so close.
So no countries should exist? Sometimes I wonder how a single world government would work. But maybe it’s not worth thinking about too much since it’s not a realistic prospect currently.
would you have said the same of people saying Nazi Germany shouldn’t exist during WW2?
Perhaps it’s reasonable to say that a peaceful and non-genocidal Germany can exist (today’s Germany I think fits into that description). So maybe the same applies to Israel.
When the ICC issued arrest warrants for the leaders of Israel and Hamas, I thought that made sense, because both sides killed civilians. Both sets of leaders should probably face trials. Maybe in the future Israel and Palestine can both be led by peaceful governments.
Not who you were replying to, but I think this is a good point to jump in. A world Socialist government is necessary as production advances, it’s a process and not a decision someone can make.
Either way, Israel only exists through Settler-Colonialism and genocide of Palestinians. Hamas is a reaction to Israel’s genocide of Palestinians, condemning both the oppressor and the oppressed due to both “using violence” just serves to preserve the status quo. I think you’d benefit greatly from reading Frantz Fanon. The “two-state” solution isn’t a solution, it just entrenches the genocide of Palestinians. A single, secular state (the solution commonly supported by Palestinian experts) is the only way to stop the genocide.
It’s not a horseshoe, it’s merely authoritarianism
I just think it’s interesting that the people who get referred to as “tankies” claim to be on the left, but they often support the regime of Putin, a regime which is arguably fascist. I guess that’s one reason why I think the far-left and far-right are pretty similar.
But are we engaging with political ideas in good faith if we evaluate them based on the behaviour of specific people whose actions don’t really line up with those ideas?
I’m not dismissing all of leftism, I’m just referring to so-called “tankies”: e.g. people from Hexbear who themselves absolutely do not engage with political ideas “in good faith”.
Horseshoe theory is just a holdout from the liberal notion of “3 pillars,” Fascism, Communism, and Liberalism, as a way to justify Liberalism within the West. It doesn’t actually make any sense and just leads to obfuscation of critical differences.
Sure there will be more political positions than just three. I just think that some people (not all) on the far-left seem to have authoritarian and/or intolerant views, which some people on the far-right also have.
What counts as “authoritarian?” I’d argue Liberals are quicker to support systems I would consider authoritarian than Leftists are. What views are they intolerant of? I think taking a firmer stance against fascism than Liberals do historically is a good thing, so I want to know an example you think is bad to be intolerant of that makes that an issue towards Leftists for you.
Nearly everyone outside of the enlightened rational centrists has soured on this whole idea of “benevolent interventionism,” with very good reason. We’ve seen how our leaders used lies and deception time and time again to get involved in pointless, destructive wars for their own interests. People look back at Iraq and Afghanistan, and Vietnam, etc, and say they were obviously unjustified, but at the time people supported them, and everyone was immersed in propaganda. Of course, in every war, those who push back for any reason are always accused of treason and supporting the other side, whether the specific term is pinko, terrorist sympathizer, or tankie.
It’s really no mystery why a bunch of disparate political groups oppose a conflict halfway around the world under the same leadership and media that led us into Iraq and Afghanistan, the mystery is why liberals are so willing to trust them again.
I’m not saying I support western intervention in Ukraine necessarily. I wish there was no war at all over there. I’m just saying that between Ukraine and Russia, Russia has been the aggressor. Also I’ve definitely seen some Lemmy leftists (but definitely not all leftists out there) who are in favour of Putin’s regime, for unknown reasons.
It’s really no mystery why a bunch of disparate political groups oppose a conflict halfway around the world
You’re basically proving my point by admitting that you do have a very similar view to the far-right.
who are in favour of Putin’s regime, for unknown reasons
Have you tried asking? Or do you not believe the reasons they tell you?
You’re basically proving my point by admitting that you do have a very similar view to the far-right.
“Wow, both the far-right and the far-left distrust the US government, therefore they must be exactly the same.” This is such a childish analysis. I could just as easily say that both liberals and fascists dislike communism, therefore liberals and fascists are the same. Or fascists could say that both liberals and communists dislike fascism and are therefore the same. It’s such a nonsense point that it’s hardly worth a response.
Have you tried asking? Or do you not believe the reasons they tell you?
So you are you in favour of Putin’s regime? In which case I don’t see how you can think of yourself as a leftist. If you actually do support Putin’s regime then you have a lot in common with the far-right who also do.
If Putin’s regime was in the US then many people would call such a regime fascism.
So you are you in favour of Putin’s regime?
Not particularly, no, but I suppose it depends on what it means to “support” a foreign leader. No matter what I say I support or oppose, it’s not going to change the material world unless I take actions with the aim of achieving specific results. And it seems to me that my primary mechanism for affecting foreign politics is through the actions of my own government. Do I want my government to undermine Putin’s government? No. Do I see Putin’s government as worthy of emulation? Also no.
My position as a leftist is to focus on class interests. Both Ukraine and Russia are capitalist governments that do very little for the people, and who controls what will make little material difference to lives of ordinary people. What does make a difference is the war, in which people are being drafted and thrown into a meat grinder to fight over rubble. What’s the point in dying to maintain a shitty system? Even if there was a point, it was probably inevitable that Ukraine would be unable to reclaim all it’s territory, so the choice was always, “Accept territorial concessions now, or accept territorial concessions after a bunch of people have died.” Of course, I don’t support Russia’s involvement either, but my government isn’t funding Russia.
Meanwhile, of course, the US is massively overextended. Decades long conflicts in the Middle East, supporting genocide in Palestine, sabre rattling with China, and now fighting a proxy war with China. Had we been more cautious and restrained in the past, perhaps we would have enough diplomatic leverage to diplomatically isolate Russia and enforce sanctions effectively. Or, perhaps if we gave up on Ukraine, the government could’ve more effectively isolated China. But by taking on both simultaneously, they’ve been pushed together, and the US has thrown away the key asset that allowed it to win the Cold War: the Sino-Soviet split.
Even if the war was completely justified and black-and-white, we would still need to consider the practical and realistic questions about whether maintaining the territorial integrity of a country on the other side of the world that most people can’t find on a map is really worth it, or even achievable. But liberals seem to really, really hate this kind of analysis, as if the world was a Saturday morning cartoon where the good guy always wins. The US is not Superman. We are dealing with all sorts of domestic issues which have given rise to the far-right, and that poses a much greater existential threat than control over Donbass.
How on earth can you accuse me of not being a leftist and being similar to the far-right for saying that we should spend more money on schools and hospitals and less money on bombs? What do left and right even mean to you?
Imagine thinking hexbear is “woke”. Literally just cosplaying Nazis.
Hexbear is Communist/Anarchist, not fascist. They are quite “woke” if “woke” means supporting LGBTQ rights and ethnic minority rights. If you think Communism/Anarchism are fascist, then you might want to read Blackshirts and Reds.
Yeah, lemmy.ml is the exact same situation, so your opinion is akin to Putin letting me know the Russians are really trustworthy.
If you don’t trust me, then you can probably trust Dr. Michael Parenti, who wrote Blackshirts and Reds. The first couple chapters are all you really need to understand the major and critical differences between Communism and fascism, and why ever conflating the two makes no sense whatsoever in theory or in history.
But the members aren’t communists. They’re republicans. With a pretty clear agenda. They can play pretend outwardly, but if you’ve seen enough internal posts and commentary it’s painfully obvious. Not to mention they don’t give a shit about communistic ideals, they literally just fawn over fascism and it’s historic leaders.
The members of what are republicans? What on Earth are you talking about? Who is fawning over fascism and fascist leaders? What is this incoherent rant talking about?
Ah, okay, we’re going to play that game. Have a good one, and fuck tankies. 😘
What “game?” The only “game” I can see is you jumping through hoops to justify not having to explain your conspiracy theories and to avoid reading books that would help you understand the world around you. The “game” seems to be seeing how long you can intentionally keep your head in the sand.
