• Borger@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Yep. Also calling it the“Israel-Hamas war” is propaganda. Makes it sound like the only people dying in Palestine are Hamas soldiers, which is obviously nowhere near the truth.

    Centrists are literally just anti-opinion and spineless.

    Free Palestine.

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        So you agree the people in the article are not centrists and that the post is all a shame then? Because they don’t support the status quo and want a ceasefire and peace talks.

        Calling them centrists was a lashing out against people they didn’t know and the views of various people that weren’t the same.

        Overall I would argue this post is pro war, pro genocide propaganda.

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        Thats and worse. They do what they are paid to do. DNC centrists heard from their consultants that whoever had the most money tended to win elections, so they sold out in every way they could. Theyve almost abandoned the idea of having a party platform at all. Youd think that means we could just gofundme some government action, but you have to gofundme an amount that beats the corporate donaters’ preference. Good luck with that. Centrist will do anything to simply win, which leads directly to oligarchy.

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    If you don’t support indigenous resistance to occupation, you’re on the side of the occupation. There is no center.

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    When one side is committing genocide and the other side wants no genocide, you don’t pick the middle and support half-genocide.

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      More accurate would be “Committing genocide” and “Wants to commit genocide but doesn’t have the guns”, with the majority of the actual population on both sides (rather than the politicians and emboldened extremists) just wanting to not be genocided. Personally I’m picking the “chuck the politicians in a hole and let the people live” option. No idea what the ideal solution looks like but I feel like getting the fascists and religious extremists on both sides out of the equation would be a good starting point

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        Hamas wouldn’t exist if Israel didn’t commit genocide. You can’t win a war on terror. You can stop “terrorists” without hurting a single person though.

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          Hamas would not exist if Israel didn’t, it’s true, but the opposition to Israel did not originally come from genocide, Israel was attacked almost immediately upon its foundation. Whether putting there was a good idea or not is debatable (well okay it was an awful idea, but one of the other places they considered was Yugoslavia, which I’m sure would have been perfectly safe!) but Hamas and their ilk did not appear in response to Israel committing genocide

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            Israel was attacked almost immediately upon its foundation

            It was attacked for a reason. Pretending otherwise is dishonest. The Nakba led to the attacks.

            “The Nakba, Arabic for “catastrophe,” refers to the 700,000 Palestinians who fled or were driven out of what today is Israel before and during the war surrounding its creation in 1948.”

            https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/palestinians-mark-the-nakba-the-original-catastrophe-of-mass-expulsion

            Do you see the “before” in that quote? The Nakba was the cause of the attacks.

            Beyond that israel was attacking the british and muslims in the area before israel became a nation-state again. This isnt the first israeli genocide in that area in service of building a new kingdom either. Its the third or fourth, depending how you count ethnic mass murders sprees of innocents as genocides. And Zealot/Zionist (Jewish far right splinter groups) terrorism has been ongoing since early Roman times at least.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish–Roman_wars

            For those reasons alone, Israel should not have been granted statehood by the UN. Maybe the UN. thought giving them the state would settle the issue and the murders would stop, but the desire for ever more land shows no signs of stopping, and knows no shame or humanity.

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              You act like I’m defending israel. I’m not. I’m just refusing to0 defend Hamas either.

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        Just have to love that you get downvoted for this. Delusional people here as if Hamas would not murder them all. What they had in their constitution does not matter, because they are ignorant.

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            How many 100s of millions went into Gaza as aid every year? How much of that was actually funneled into other things? Also, aid to Gaza:

            The United States has been a major donor, providing more than $5.2 billion through USAID since 1994.

            Whoops!

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              They said bombs, not aid. Also, Israel blocks the aid you’re talking about, kills aid workers, and massacres civilians seeking what little gets through.

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              They sent 20 billion in weapons just in August and you are talking about a quarter of that in aid over 30 years?

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              $5.2 billion through USAID since 1994.

              and $200 billion in aid to Israel since 1946, including $12 billion in direct military aid since October 7, 2023, since which date there have been 40x more palestinian deaths than israeli!

              whoops indeed! everyone point and laugh at the silly goose 🫵🤣

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    I’m a centrist in that I think the Israelis and Palestinians should live happy, productive lives and not be shot.

    It just so happens that only one side seems to disagree with that.

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        Notice I didn’t say “Hamas” in my comment. Hamas attacked Israel. Israel then attacked Palestine.

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          You can’t cherry pick. Not all Israelis agree with their government. Not all gazans agree with Hamas, their government. But they’re the parties in charge.

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            I can because of the massively disparate sizes involved. A tiny Hamas force killed about 1,200 Israeli civilians. Israel’s much larger army then proceeded to kill about 45,000 Palestinian civilians. That’s about 2% of the pre-war Palestinian population, and that’s not even counting the human suffering that hasn’t yet resulted in death.

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              Yeah and sorry but if you fucked with one of my family members, and if I was capable, I’m going to wipe out all traces of your family, all the way back to the stone age.

              Don’t expect proportionate responses. We’re not cavemen and that’s not how it works.

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    It is easy to have a nuanced position and still come to the obvious conclusion on what’s happening now. The past is completely enough that a basic history lesson would suffice.

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      Okay, but what if I just throw up my hands and say “They’ve always been fighting so what’s the big deal?” while my Congressman takes a few million in kickbacks for the next billion in military aid shipped overseas?

      Doesn’t that make me a serious thinking, highly educated, objective observer? Why are you waving an Israeli/Palestinian flag in my face? Don’t make me pick a side, just let the military industrial complex collect its paycheck and do the big “Whatchagonnado?” face of perfect neutrality.

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    “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented” is a quote by Elie Wiesel from his 1986 Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech.

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            “You can’t be neutral on a moving train.”

            You can choose to not have an opinion, but that just means you’re siding with the genocide. There’s no neutral option.

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                I can prove that you are supporting genocide. You pay your taxes, right? Then you’re supporting genocide.

                Unless you’re too young to pay taxes? In that case I could give you a pass - it’s not like you know any better anyway.

                But this is something we all have to reconcile - we’re all complicit. You don’t get to wash your hands of this.

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    Yep we totally need a middle ground between settler colonialism, genocide and apartheid and not that. There is obviously no right side maybe we can have a little settler colonialism, gentler apartheid and a gentler genocide.

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    If you’re a ShitLib who supports genocide its pretty easy to find company. Just enter .world, twitter, read any capitalist run media outlet, or talk to the millions of braindead “centrist” ShitLibs that hang out in the gentrified parts of any city.