Has anyone else noticed this, across the fediverse, Lemmy specifically. A lot of new users, but also a lot of first posts that are very inflammatory/rage baity.
Do we have another legit influx of new users? Or do we just have some bad actors trying to stir the pot? Or maybe I’m imagining it.
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Only abouts Arch Linix users. :)
As a fairly new user to lemmy I have found that the community can be pretty brutal and there are quite a lot of set things that are frowned upon. Windows always gets a lot of abuse, but for me here in the UK the amount of Mac and Linux users is miniscule, for example… yet Windows is frowned upon greatly. Sp whilst not raging, it is deffo anti a fair few things. I know it is to be expected as it is a fairly technical things to use lemmy/piefed/fediverse but it still makes me wince. Like everything these days, the less passionate just don’t post any more so it does bring out some strong responses
It’s not only about many people here being technical, of course you’re right that it plays a big part, and it’s also that the Fediverse is a rejection of for-profit, closed social media, so there’s a HUGE crossover between its users and the FOSS community (including Linux users) who really take strong issue to many things about Windows (and Mac) that Windows users consider to be normal. And with Lemmy especially, the initial userbase was largely anti-capitalists, since Reddit was banning many of their subreddits and was exploiting their users for profit with ads, blocking third-party apps, and bending to the demands of media companies and their owners. So plenty of people here are political about software.
I totally understand, but it is also why many people I know come, have a look around and are swiftly gone… I was trying (badly) to be pretty generic in my point, you said it a lot better than I could think of at the time
I’ve noticed more debatelords (only in large communities, like c/technology), not sure they will stay if we don’t feed them and the more debatelordy instances just simply ban them.
Definitely. Most of the time communities are friendly and supportive - but I’ve noticed too that there are users who seem deliberately scratchy and saying things that are looking to provoke and who become fizzy if they’re challenged in any way about something they’ve said. I wondered if it’s much younger users who are coming from other places having picked up the “fight me” attititude there.
I think that’s why it becomes so noticeable - it’s usually so calm and chill that when someone comes in to stir the pot it’s so obvious
That’s one of the benefits of having a forum small enough to have a community. Troublemakers stick out like a sore thumb.
If you keep out of Political Communities then you may not see them.
This has been in the Ask communities unfortunately
Cool new avatar!
We try to keep an eye about those posts on [email protected]
Thank you! After Admiral Patrick left I felt like there was a void here, introducing Captain Swift!
Yeah but the toxicity is still negligible, but I do get your point.
Intentionally inflammatory posts? I haven’t noticed an uptick, honestly. Doesn’t mean there isn’t one and doesn’t mean I won’t notice now that you posted it.
But I will say that I’ve basically stopped checking my notifications because all of a sudden it seems like almost every time I go in there, I’ve got at least one insufferable, hostile, negative, etc response or message in there. It didn’t used to be that way.
Mostly I assume we must’ve recently gotten an influx of new users from Reddit or someplace similarly toxic. Things usually get a bit unfortunate for a time when that happens.
But I will say that I’ve basically stopped checking my notifications because all of a sudden it seems like almost every time I go in there, I’ve got at least one insufferable, hostile, negative, etc response or message in there. It didn’t used to be that way.
I still check mine, but occasionally I’ll know I’ve said something that will have a hostile reply. Usually when I’ve asked someone to stop being hostile and inflammatory :)))
Look up Eternal September on Wikipedia.
I haven’t, but then again I don’t subscribe to News or Politics communities.
The way to go
I don’t think it’s an uptick, it’s been around for as long as I’ve used the Fediverse.
I’ve never understood the mindset that this social site is made up of a different mix of personalities than any other. It’s not. There’s very nice people here and there’s very mean people here. Often, the very nice are quiet so you won’t always notice them but the meanest are usually very outspoken and everyone comes across something left by them. Hatred, ignorance and toxicity is not something that’s left at the door of the fediverse.
I’ve never understood the mindset that this social site is made up of a different mix of personalities than any other. It’s not.
On the other hand, this is often the case in small communities. Most Lemmy instances are general-purpose or large enough to have a typical mix, but I have been to a few sites which will moderate away any hostility whatsoever, and that does make the site unusable for some personalities. These kind of sites have rules like “No politics. No insults. No drama.” Toxicity isn’t inevitable, there’s nothing forcing community staff to tolerate mean people or mean outbursts, but it does take a mixture of design decisions and careful micromanagement which most communities, and especially most large sites, don’t bother with.
edit: and on the flipside, there are also communities where toxicity is expected and it’s amazing to see someone acting nice there, it might even be done as a trolling method.
We ought to moderate well and do better than elsewhere though. Well, at least I would hope that users would gravitate towards instances that moderate their users better, so we get more civil behavior.
Leaving the 3 biggest news comms has been one of the best things I’ve done recently.
comms
Communications?
Communities
Cormorants?
Any influx of new users that appear to be valid human meat popsicles should be the new normal. Would you like to create a downloadable zip file of a codebase that demonstrates this?
Yes have noticed more rage bait. Also more and more culture wars in comments. Still not anywhere near as bad as reddit.
Seems like the average user on here is smart enough not to get caught up in that bullshit thankfully. It’s a lot nicer than the pathetic chess match on reddit where everyone seems to take the rage bait like a carrot on a string
Seems like the average user on here is smart enough not to get caught up in that bullshit thankfully.
I wonder if it’s still early enough to give people taps on the shoulder - “don’t feed the trolls, friend”.
It does seem a bit more than usual. Thank fuck it’s so easy to block people and communities on here
Or do we just have some bad actors trying to stir the pot?
Yes.
People are hostile idiots sometimes, also, so that doesn’t help. But yes, people are definitely trying to stir up deliberate ballache for whatever weird reasons of their own.
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Not inflammatory, but I’ve noticed some new users who come only to do self promotion, without engaging in anyting else in the platform. Mostly in art related comms but also a couple trying to promote a shady website or the like. Even though my account is new I’ve been browsing for a good while and dislike people that are only looking for an audience not a community.
I do some self promotion, although I try to; 1: only post in relevant forums. 2: also engage outside of my own posts an then not talk about said posts.(this time is an exception but its kind of a meta discussion.)
Due to the nature of the fedivers what I post on mastodon and pixelfed might get federated on to Lemmy, which unfortunately might give the appearance of spamming, I’m aware of this but I don’t see a way around that. And lastly. I don’t think my videos on Peertube would get any views unless I post them outside of peertube since there is no real algorithm or good discovery functions across the instances. But I’m open to being in the wrong here.
And to clarify, self promo is ok! My complaint is about the ones who wouldn’t even see this post (or any other post for the matter), much less reply to it. They just take up space and do not give anything of value back. Imo. As the fediverse grows it’s bound to happen, it just pisses me off.
I’m not saying it will be the solution but, positive reinforcement for those who behave, mixed with not interacting with those that only spam would probably get some to loose interest. And perhaps some mod rules.
Interesting, I haven’t noticed this but I’ll keep an eye out on accounts
FWIW, in my feeds that is on the same level as it was for some time now
Bots originating in russa, china, etc, etc spreading social unrest
Those countries want to divide us and it’s working
Those countries want to divide us and it’s working
We have a saying “People who think too highly of themselves and can’t fix their problems will always make up a bogeyman to blame”
Did the tankies lead you to support the genocide? Did the tankies keep you from keeping Israel/US accountable for their crimes?
No buddy, your “countries” did those all on their own and were proud of it. The countries are only changing their tone as the hypocrisy is failing to keep up with the lies.
But you do you. You’re such good guys and have never done bad to anyone else and also “never” fought among yourselves.
If it takes some Chinese and Russian trolls to divide you, you’re never really “together” bud. But again whatever makes you sleep at night.
That’s true in most places, but until now it’s been relatively quiet I’m here on the fediverse
That’s a lame and cheap attack and also ridiculous.
Try replying to these so-called “Russian and Chinese bot accounts” and see what happens
You won’t get evasive and broken English, rather a long and thorough breakdown grounded in theory and history
Lol
“Theory and history”
Try it and see
Degenerate tankies white washing a genocide being commited by a country that is no way communist is not “theory and history.”
And even “historical” discussion is usually along the lines of “it’s a good thing that Stalin collaborated with the Nazis and split up Europe!” or "Not wanting to have you culture exterminate by the russians is Nazism!
Keep in mind this is not my first day on Threadiverse! Playing dumb is not going to work with me.
Aaaaand… we’re off!
Degenerate tankies
Lol
white washing a genocide
I can’t wait for this one. Pray tell what genocide?
country that is no way communist
What makes a country communist in your view? Only countries that never build any sort of government and never do any sort of production?
“it’s a good thing that Stalin collaborated with the Nazis and split up Europe!”
I would love a link that you have to someone making this argument
“Not wanting to have you culture exterminate by the russians is Nazism!”
Lol no. Glorifying Nazis like Stepan Bandera is Naziism. Doing ethnic cleansing in Eastern Ukraine is Naziism.
Keep in mind this is not my first day on Threadiverse!
Obviously, it takes time to absorb the lame “tankies bad” circlejerk from
.world. Seems you have had some time to let it soak in.Get fucked tankie roach!
You don’t speak Ukrainian (or russian) and you’ve never been to eastern Ukraine (or any part of Ukraine).
So don’t play dumb with me, you stupid degenerate!
You’re certainly making a point here, I wonder if it’s the one you intended.
You are right I don’t speak Ukrainian, do you? I’d love to discuss the 7 years between 2015 and 2022 with a local.
So people are just pretending that astroturfing by foreign nations isn’t real now? Cool.
I don’t really have an opinion about whether “astroturfing by foreign nations” is widespread on the internet overall. I will note that we have to take the word of intelligence agencies and big tech companies as the only evidence in the public record that it’s happening.
What I am saying is that here on the fediverse, the people who throw around that accusation are childish and ill-informed every time.
Basically, these people are saying that they can’t even imagine the possibility of people believing differently than the national media narrative of their home country, which is a pretty embarrassing self-own if you ask me.
