I mostly use apps installed from F-Droid, so I’m not sure how I’ll use the phone, except that it’s sometimes required as a contact method.

  • ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com
    2·
    11 minutes ago

    I don’t know yet, I’m going to keep track of developments around this and see what the community comes up with. I refuse to be bent over by tech giants.

  • vortexal@lemmy.ml
    5·
    1 hour ago

    Well, I know that I probably wont be buying anymore android devices and I know for sure that I’ll never buy an iOS device. But outside of that I’m not sure, I’ll have to wait and see how things play out. If possible, I’d like to be able to use Linux or at least custom versions of android but, as of now, most of my devices don’t have custom roms available and the two that do haven’t been supported in years. I have looked into Linux phones, tablets and other portable devices like the Steam deck and the Legion Go S but they are very expensive and there isn’t even a way for me to purchase some them.

    I am also aware of ADB commands but I’ve never used them before. If they are easy enough to use without potentially bricking my devices, I am not opposed to using them.

  • Notamoosen@lemmy.zip
    7·
    3 hours ago

    I’m likely going to use ladb to sideload “directly” on the device. I’m really hoping there are some legal challenges and/or bad pr to make them back down. I’m also considering picking up a Fairphone 4 or 5 and running CalyxOS as a plan B.

    • mistermodal@lemmy.ml
      4·
      2 hours ago

      Fairphone looks really bad after reading some of the GrapheneOS forum threads covering them. Calyx is still on hiatus over the security patch thing

      • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
        3·
        1 hour ago

        Last time I checked on fairphone they weren’t doing the due diligence for basic security, and that’s why grapheneos won’t touch time.

        Did they get worse?

        • mistermodal@lemmy.ml
          2·
          1 hour ago

          I had never read their forum threads on Fairphone and eOS until the other day. Makes me glad I ruled them out for other reasons.

  • cdzero@lemmy.ml
    1·
    2 hours ago

    I’ll go back to Ubuntu Touch. I used it a year ago and it wasn’t completely compatible with Fairphone. Now it is.

  • 17lifers@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    462·
    6 hours ago

    install them with adb. its a crucial feature for developers, so they won’t easily get rid of it.

    • tisktisk@piefed.socialEnglish
      5·
      5 hours ago

      Is this manageable for the non-dev by chance? I can get by on a tutorial or too but if enough things break I’m feeling a dumbphone alt may be the only viable path

      • Kraiden@piefed.socialEnglish
        11·
        3 hours ago

        Depends on your comfort with CLI tools. Here’s the process (assumes Windows):

        1. Download and extract platform tools
        2. Add that location to your PATH
        • Win + R, type “cmd”, enter
        • set PATH=%PATH%;C:\your\path\here\ <- Temporary, just for the current session
        • setx /M path "%path%;C:\your\path\here\" <- Permanent

        1. On your device, go to Settings -> About and look for Build Number it can sometimes be buried in Software Information

        2. Tap Build Number repeatedly until a message appears You are now a developer

        3. You should now have a new Developer options menu item somewhere in your settings. Sometimes it’s top level, sometimes it’s buried under Additional Settings or Advanced Settings or the like

        4. Make sure USB Debugging is turned on

        5. Connect the device over USB

        6. Back on WIndows type:

        • adb devices
        • You might get a popup on the device asking if you want to allow USB debugging. Select Yes, and run adb devices again. You should see your device listed
        1. Download the APK of the app you want to install (AAB files are a PITA, but can be installed too. Try to get APK files though)
        2. Install with:
        • adb install C:/path/to/app.apk <- if adb devices only returns one device
        • adb -s <device_id> install C:/path/to/app.apk <- specific device

        You can install updates the same way, just download the updated APK and add the -r flag adb install -r C:/path/to/app.apk

        More useful adb commands

      • VintageGenious@sh.itjust.works
        31·
        4 hours ago

        Yes it is.

        It will probably be something similar to ios altstore. You would have an app which has a list of your non-playstore apps and repo for their releases and would notify you for upgrades that you would manually have to install (for example I suppose obtainium will implement adb), the setup will be annoying but far far less cumbersome than apple where you have to reboot your device multiple times self sign ipas and refresh once a week otherwise the apps don’t load at all. This iOS experience is awful but still doable and non-dev. Android will have a better experience for sure.

      • illusionist@lemmy.zip
        4·
        5 hours ago

        No it’s not. Not because of that it’s too difficult but it’s too much work on a weekly basis just to update your stuff.

        I have no rooted phone because I have grapheneos but it should be possible to do it directly on your rooted phone with shizuku et al which wouldn’t be that bad.

        • BarrelAgedBoredom@lemmy.zip
          2·
          2 hours ago

          How’s graphene been serving you? I’ve wanted to take the plunge for a while now and this no side loading bs has me looking into it again

      • NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip
        22·
        4 hours ago

        Is this manageable for the non-dev by chance?

        Not really.

        I’ve not been following things super closely, but the idea would be that each user would get their own developer key and then locally compile and deploy whatever apps they want as though it were a project they themselves were working on. The first bit is not too dissimilar from how a lot of people with XBOXes made dev accounts to install emulators. But the latter is going to get real messy and REAL compromised REAL fast as people just use third party tools and binaries that will inevitably be compromised.

        I’m feeling a dumbphone alt may be the only viable path

        It really depends on what your use case is. If you actually just talk to people on phones? Uhm… I am not even sure where you would find a dumb phone at this point, but that will probably work for voice calls and SMS using just your carrier and MAYBE wifi. But anything that involves apps, which is a shockingly large part of the world, will be a mess. Some you can (and should) do workarounds (banking apps, for example) but others you are kind of up a creek since your options are to use a modern phone or not be able to (for example) see your kid’s daycare schedule.

  • wellyon@lemmy.zip
    19·
    5 hours ago

    I hope there will be a good Linux phone in a few years that I can switch to. Would be great with it was compatible with the latest Fairphone by then, for a true FOSS and ethical phone.

  • exu@feditown.comEnglish
    35·
    6 hours ago

    I’ve started donating to PostmarketOS this month, so hopefully I’ll be able to buy a device with decent support once my current phone needs replacing.

    I already run LineageOS on my phone with microG instead of Gapps, so not much is going to change for me. There’ll also be an update to Android 16 for me soon, LineageOS just announced that last weekend.

    • VintageGenious@sh.itjust.works
      5·
      4 hours ago

      I don’t like android 16. I already regret so much updating to Android 15 a few weeks ago: it’s onky feature was making notifications huge and replace the monochrome logos with rhe app icon (which is not the one I have on my themed launcher) so it takes more space and is uglier. Same for the new control center: I had to disable it. Horrible locked screen experience too with less icons on top left and ios inspired dynamic island gimmicks.

      Android 16, will be some design choices which are even less customizable I feel (but at least way better than ios broken transparency)

  • Lunatique Princess@lemmy.ml
    141·
    5 hours ago

    I’m sure the community will fund a way to install them but honestly this is needed. People have to humble google and put them in their place once and for all. If people allow this to happen. Then those people don’t deserve freedom anymore.

    I’ll keep my apps on my phone and just won’t update them. Or I’ll install a Linux distro on a capable phone on small tablet and use the applications for desktop or Linux mobile.

    WE DON’T NEED GOOGLE.

  • quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    27·
    6 hours ago

    I only use app from f-droid on lineage and I don’t have a google account anymore, if that stops being an option I guess I’ll use an old dumb phone and fuck all.

    • frongt@lemmy.zip
      25·
      6 hours ago

      Until it does. Google is already closing development, so the GrapheneOS devs will have a more difficult time rebasing their changes to AOSP each snapshot.

      • ominouslemon@sh.itjust.works
        8·
        5 hours ago

        Yeah, it’s a moving target for sure. For now, the devs seem to be very certain that AOSP will stay and that they will still be able to port GOS on new devices (although it will take more time and work).

      • ominouslemon@sh.itjust.works
        13·
        5 hours ago

        If app installation is not managed by Google (i.e. if you’re not using Google Mobile Services or GMS), Google cannot block the installation of any apps. Graphene’s devs have confirmed themselves that this new measure will not affect their ROM

    • Arghblarg@lemmy.ca
      3·
      6 hours ago

      Can you tell me how the ad experience is with GrapheneOS? As in, do apps which try to insert ads in screen transitions (or anywhere) still do so? Or websites which put in AdSense popups?

      GrapheneOS doesn’t recommend AdAway or other adblocking solutions, so does it do so itself?

      • ominouslemon@sh.itjust.works
        7·
        5 hours ago

        It does not block anything by itself. I use Adguard as my DNS provider and it does that system-wide. It you can also use a VPN provider such as ProtonVPN that does it

        • Arghblarg@lemmy.ca
          3·
          5 hours ago

          Hmm. OK, I’ve been using AdAway (not AdGuard) as DNS and/or VPN, experimenting with both) under Pixel 9 stock OS, and it mostly works… but some apps and websites still get ads through.

          LineageOS w/Adaway root /etc/hosts blocklists was 100% perfect on my older phone… that’s my main quibble with trying LineageOS vs. GrapheneOS.

          I know some people recommend against rooting, but I’ve never had security issues doing it and it seemed to offer more bulletproof ad-blocking.