[green talks in a mic while orange sits at the other end of the table, cross armed, angry] On today’s podcast episode, I’d like to better understand the far right so I invited a literal nazi, maybe they’ll make some good points
[blue, satisfied] Freedom of speech
[green talks in a mic while yellow sits at the other end of the table, happy to be there] On today’s podcast episode, I invited an artist who also happens to be a pro-palestine activist, let’s listen to what they have to say
[blue, pissed] TOO FAR! We are pulling our sponsorship
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Its a genocidal paramilitary stocked with cutting edge American weapons. Feels like a fair group to want dead.
In fact I would go so far as to say I don’t want to share a world with anyone who is committed to any honest IDF terrorist surviving. Every single one, past and present, must be killed if we’re to have a just world, or a safe world for any living thing. That includes infrastructural supporters.
Not the point. The point is that he ain’t your average anti Palestine activist.
Anti-palestine? Who?
That anti snuck in there. I meant Palestine activist.
Seems pretty moderate to me. Can you imagine a single Palestinian surviving while IDF aren’t busy running for their vile fucking lives?
Yes. But the point is not how bad the IDF is, but that inciting such chants repeatedly is rather bad publicity and hints at being among the more extreme. This means the cancellation is not about inciting a pro Palestine activist, but someone who repeatedly gets large crowds chanting death to the Israeli army.
You are free to state pro Palestine talking points. There will be very little repercussions.
I hope your loyalty to the Zionist cause gets you tortured like a Palestinian child. I don’t know who would rape you, but I hope they’re as brutal as your guys would be.
I would distinguish this comment if I could 😔
Death to the IDF.
You don’t get to commit a genocide and then whine when people call for death against the force that perpetrated that genocide.
Louis was saying he didn’t want to wish death on anyone.
I think it is possible to say “Death to the [state sponsored institution controlled by the Israeli government called the] IDF”
The army can die without any soldiers being harmed.
Just like every single Wehrmacht soldier deserved the bullet, every Zionist settler happily working for a death squad does as well
Louis argued the opposite and still got cancelled.
Not in practice.
The entire Iraqi army was disbanded after the 2nd gulf War.
Gee, I bet the United States definitely did that without incurring a huge amount of loss of life for the Iraqi army.
No-one was killed by the Coalition Provisional Authority Order 2.
Many iraqi military organizations died that day, but no-one was executed.
I am sure the US military did not execute anyone in the foreign military the US dismantled.
Oh, the US killed thousands of military and even more civilians.
But the order to
disbandkill the army didn’t make anyone die.The Iraqi army ceased to exist without blood being shed. Similarly the IDF can be disbanded without any deaths.
Yes. But they are more than just a pro Palestine activist. This is about misinformation and not potentially perceived validity of their actions.
I personally would say that inciting a mass to chant “death to *” is over the line no matter the subject. It is dehumanizing, overly generalizing and inducing vitriol. But that’s not my point.
Accepting misinformation just because it fits your narrative is a no no.
“Death to fascism”
erm… aren’t you overgeneralising and dehumanising by saying that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_to_fascism,_freedom_to_the_people
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Death to Nazis, death to the IDF. Death to any people who would impede upon another person’s inalienable human rights to freedom to live their lives.
Fucking preach
amen
Calling Israel and IDF nazi is a dog whistle to dehumanize them. They are not support Hitler’s ideology.
Cmon these comparisons are almost as old as Israel itself.
Back in 1948 you already had prominent jewish people comparing zionists to nazis (Einstein was one of them).
My family of holocaust survivors never had kind words for Israel, and were always pissed that they were pretending to be the country legacy of holocaust survivors while building up an ethnostate of their own on stolen land, complete with camps and all.
You can’t dehumanize people who have already done the work of dehumanizing themselves, unless you think I’m dehumanizing MAGA too when I compare them to 1930s fascists.
It’s only a dogwhistle when it comes from problematic people.
An ethnocracy(etnostate) is a type of political structure featuring “rule by a particular ethnos in a multi-ethnic situation”. Israel is not ruled by single ethnos. Itamar Ben-Gvir -leader of party Otzma Yehudit with 6/120 Knesset members is Mizrahi Jews(arab jew). United Arab List have 5/120 Knesset members.
I once saw someone got accused for using dog whistle when they used the same comparison, but to Islamists and description of Amin al-Husseini relationship with Hittler.
This is a disingenuous conflation of Israelis as people, individual IDF soldiers as people, and the IDF as an organization. In much the same way that the government of Israel conflates itself with Judaism as a whole.
You sound plenty smart enough to understand that “Death to the IDF” refers to the IDF as an organization and not it’s conscripts, in the same way that “Death to America” refers to the American government and it’s organizational machinery rather than American people.
Your virtue signaling does not pass my sniff test.
How? I didn’t call them an antisemite.
Why do I have a feeling that if your argument regarding “Death to the IDF” didn’t pass or fail on your inability to parse my analogy, you’d be feigning no confusion?
This is intellectual dishonesty. Come on now, you can be better than that.
I don’t see how getting their large crowd to chant death to America is different from death to the IDF.
I am just saying that the discrimited against person is not just an anti Palestine activist. I don’t know what you mean.
You do understand how individuals and organizations are different. You’re intelligent.
After reading more of their comments I’m not so sure.
500,000. Thats is a quarter or more of the population in gaza that was exterminated.
The IOF doesn’t need humanization but forced into reparations and the mercy of those they have slaughtered.
Its also not misinformation to dehumanize people. Your using the word wrong. Its propagandic which I think is closer. But its certainly not a wrong sentiment to have.
Nonviolence one works when the enemy has a conscious and I don’t see any ounce of consciousness from anyone who is responsible for the Genocide. 🤦
I referred to the meme calling the musician an pro-palestine activist. There are many pro Palestine activists that would not be discriminated against in this fashion.
The reason the podcast got dumped by their sponsor appears to be the musician repeatedly chanting death to the IDF on their performances. This is more than just being pro Palestine. This does not mean that the dumping as a sponsor wasn’t wrong, but their motivation is more than just “their an pro Palestine activist”.
In no way shape or form I stated that the misinformation was them dehumanizing the IDF.
If you are against Genocide, you have to remove the genociders you absolute 🤡
Hyperbolic rhetoric isn’t a true threat. In the US, criticizing the draft by saying at a political rally
is protected. Likewise, ill-wishes for death are mere opinion.
Such speech merely offends genocide supporters & pearl clutchers.
Thank you for providing the context but it literally shows there’s nothing misinformational in OP.
That’s a pretty normal thing to say when the IDF has bombed Gaza into rubble (not ot mention bombing hospirals,homes, schools, shelters, universities, and mosques, and in some cases, using those places as bases before bombing them).
I bet you have the same reaction when people say “Death to the Russian Army” when Russia bombed Ukraine, getting inspiration from the most moral army in the world.
Yeah? So? Is the IDF the same as the Israeli people or is it their genocidal army?
The misinformation is them not just merely being a pro Palestine activist.
“Brown haired dude commits suicide, relief and happiness spreads around the world” may be factually correct, but is misleading and might cause you to think “what’s wrong with the world”. A better phrasing might be “Hitler killed himself”.
You should not mislead.
I think saying death to the IDF is in line with being a pro-Palestine activist actually. Being pro-Palestine also means being against the IDF. Noone would say it was misinformation to call someone who says “death to the SS” a pro Jewish activist, I think.
Would it be misleading to say that someone who chanted “death to the SS/Nazis” during the Holocaust were silenced for “being pro-jewish people?”
I’d argue the opposite: anyone defending Nazis from such chants is inherently antisemitic. Opposition to the Nazis is a prerequisite to not being antisemitic. Likewise, such an attitude towards the IDF is a prerequisite to being pro-palestine. So all you did is provide evidence that the person might be pro-palestine (of course it’s not sufficient - anti-semites can be anti-israel and anti-palestine).
Idk about widely condemned. Maybe condemned by the authoritarian states that are upholding genocide lol.