if industrystandard and anticolonial are against me, I know I’m doing something right. Let’s get tokenboomer and givesomefucks and universalmonkey here too.
If recent history is any indicator of how much Democrats are willing to fight for what’s right, I have better things to do with my fucking time than vote. I’m done with them.
If slightly less but still very much recent history is any indicator, that attitude is exactly what got us into this shit in the first place. One group isn’t doing what’s right, so let’s just hand victory to the group that pledges to do as much evil as they think they can get away with. Too many people with better things to do with their fucking time than keep a felon pedophile rapist wannabe-Mussolini conman out of office, I guess. Glad you got all the better things done though, with your fucking time.
Right, because the Republicans control the presidency, the house, the Senate, and inexplicably the supreme court, obviously it’s those darn stinking Democrats who did all this. Don’t get me wrong, I am livid at their inaction, but to throw your hands up and say “whelp, better just hand the Republicans the key to the castle” is at best defeatist and at worst actively destroying this country.
That’s the best thing that can happen for the rest of the world, constantly bullied and terrorised by the bipartisan regime.
But americans didn’t give a fuck about that. Now they cry bcs they got a taste of their own medicine.
Well guess what, we don’t give a fuck about you either, on the contrary.
Let Trump do his worst and you can all rot in hell where you belong.
The sooner the better.
yes you’ve got me.
Being against the cancer of the earth, that has invaded, carpet bombed, droned, bullied, regime changed or sanctioned half the world and helped terrorists or genocide regimes is being a bad person.
In 2020 they pushed a candidate with obvious mental decline and hid it for the next 4 years. Allowed him to study in the running until primaries were over so they could install another person that wasn’t trusted
You don’t beat the ratchet effect by ignoring it, you beat it by keeping the ratchet in the stationary position until you can figure out how to loose the pawl. No one on the left benefits by letting the ratchet twist right. Well, accelerations do in theory, but I reject the collateral damage of that strategy.
If the last 24 hours is any indicator, the democratic party is cowardly, weak, spineless, and ineffectual and I refuse to waste another nanosecond on them.
If neither side is capable of, in your own words, “doing what’s right”, why waste time on either of them?
I think the main point is that the Democrats are all those things, and yet still more effective than you at pushing the country left, so people support them because it’s better than supporting Republicans
Because, as I already (rather pointedly, I thought) said, one party isn’t not doing “what’s right,” (Which are your words, actually. I was quoting you.) it is actively and aggressively doing what’s very, very wrong. If those two are equivalent to you, then by all means don’t vote, as you might just be doing the rest of us a favor.
You are in duty bound to call their bourgeois-democratic and parliamentary prejudices what they are—prejudices. But at the same time you must soberly follow the actual state of the class-consciousness and preparedness of the entire class (not only of its communist vanguard), and of all the working people (not only of their advanced elements).
We’re still in the pretty heavy wake of McCarthyism, we’re not at “run our own candidates on the general ballot” yet, we’re at “vote lesser evil on the general ballot while we run our own candidates locally and try to win primaries”.
Whilst you lack the strength to do away with bourgeois parliaments and every other type of reactionary institution, you must work within them because it is there that you will still find workers who are duped by the priests and stultified by the conditions of rural life; otherwise you risk turning into nothing but windbags.
Even where there is no prospect of achieving their election the workers must put up their own candidates to preserve their independence, to gauge their own strength and to bring their revolutionary position and party standpoint to public attention. They must not be led astray by the empty phrases of the democrats, who will maintain that the workers’ candidates will split the democratic party and offer the forces of reaction the chance of victory. All such talk means, in the final analysis, that the proletariat is to be swindled. The progress which the proletarian party will make by operating independently in this way is infinitely more important than the disadvantages resulting from the presence of a few reactionaries in the representative body. If the forces of democracy take decisive, terroristic action against the reaction from the very beginning, the reactionary influence in the election will already have been destroyed.
Karl Marx and Frederick Engels, Address of the Central Comittee to the Communist League, 1850
Yeah and I think 1) that was 175 years ago 2) that while a brilliant thinker on the subject of structures and inevitabilities, Marx was pretty naïve when it came to implementation.
Lenin’s push for participation in elections was due to the Duma which kept getting dissolved by the Czar for becoming increasingly anti monarchy. Between 1906 and 1917 several had been dissolved due to growing constitutional monarchy among the peasants.
Without historical context it sounds like lenin advocated participating in all bourgeoisie elections.
Uh, no. The context is very clear, he offers it himself. He’s talking about movements in other countries, where class consciousness isn’t sufficient for more direct alternatives, specifically Germany. He didn’t mention the Czar or the Duma once in this text.
You should really just read it, it’s pretty short.
This guy wants you to throw your vote away.
so edgy
This was made in like 1994
They mainly just want you to vote more than once every 4 years
please provide evidence
This guy wants you to keep doing the same useless thing, already obvious and ridiculed 150 years ago
Just commenting here so it’s high up enough to see: this guy is an admitted accelerationist. Position invalidated. Thanks.
LOL whatever clown, I’m sure everyone needs to hear about your bombshell discovery
This guy wants you to throw your vote away.
if industrystandard and anticolonial are against me, I know I’m doing something right. Let’s get tokenboomer and givesomefucks and universalmonkey here too.
That’s evidence you are a mindless tool for the people causing our problems
And this comment is evidence you don’t understand anything about anything
If recent history is any indicator of how much Democrats are willing to fight for what’s right, I have better things to do with my fucking time than vote. I’m done with them.
At least vote in the primaries
You’re absolutely right. We wouldn’t be in this mess if everyone who complains about the Dems had voted in the primaries.
If slightly less but still very much recent history is any indicator, that attitude is exactly what got us into this shit in the first place. One group isn’t doing what’s right, so let’s just hand victory to the group that pledges to do as much evil as they think they can get away with. Too many people with better things to do with their fucking time than keep a felon pedophile rapist wannabe-Mussolini conman out of office, I guess. Glad you got all the better things done though, with your fucking time.
Democrats got us into the mess we are in
Right, because the Republicans control the presidency, the house, the Senate, and inexplicably the supreme court, obviously it’s those darn stinking Democrats who did all this. Don’t get me wrong, I am livid at their inaction, but to throw your hands up and say “whelp, better just hand the Republicans the key to the castle” is at best defeatist and at worst actively destroying this country.
I hope you’re ready to hear that same refrain constantly and increasing over the next 12 months.
That’s the best thing that can happen for the rest of the world, constantly bullied and terrorised by the bipartisan regime.
But americans didn’t give a fuck about that. Now they cry bcs they got a taste of their own medicine.
Well guess what, we don’t give a fuck about you either, on the contrary.
Let Trump do his worst and you can all rot in hell where you belong.
The sooner the better.
Ah, so you’re going mask off as just being a bad person? Nice.
yes you’ve got me.
Being against the cancer of the earth, that has invaded, carpet bombed, droned, bullied, regime changed or sanctioned half the world and helped terrorists or genocide regimes is being a bad person.
You’re in favor of civillians suffering because their goverment is authoritarian. That makes you just as bad as the authoritarian government.
Same energy as me saying “i hope all the russians suffer because of putin”.
Yes. Your advocacy for this position makes you a bad person.
that’s a ridiculous thing to say
In 2020 they pushed a candidate with obvious mental decline and hid it for the next 4 years. Allowed him to study in the running until primaries were over so they could install another person that wasn’t trusted
That’s a lot of words for giving the nazis a pass for being nazis
Democrat ratchet effect gives Nazis a pass to be Nazis
You don’t beat the ratchet effect by ignoring it, you beat it by keeping the ratchet in the stationary position until you can figure out how to loose the pawl. No one on the left benefits by letting the ratchet twist right. Well, accelerations do in theory, but I reject the collateral damage of that strategy.
If the last 24 hours is any indicator, the democratic party is cowardly, weak, spineless, and ineffectual and I refuse to waste another nanosecond on them.
If neither side is capable of, in your own words, “doing what’s right”, why waste time on either of them?
I think the main point is that the Democrats are all those things, and yet still more effective than you at pushing the country left, so people support them because it’s better than supporting Republicans
Because, as I already (rather pointedly, I thought) said, one party isn’t not doing “what’s right,” (Which are your words, actually. I was quoting you.) it is actively and aggressively doing what’s very, very wrong. If those two are equivalent to you, then by all means don’t vote, as you might just be doing the rest of us a favor.
Any vote in the oligarchy is a vote thrown away.
You should read more theory
Lenin is talking about participating in voting for our own candidates and government, NOT for supporting the bourgeoisie.
We’re still in the pretty heavy wake of McCarthyism, we’re not at “run our own candidates on the general ballot” yet, we’re at “vote lesser evil on the general ballot while we run our own candidates locally and try to win primaries”.
Karl Marx on liberal ‘lesser evil’
Yeah and I think 1) that was 175 years ago 2) that while a brilliant thinker on the subject of structures and inevitabilities, Marx was pretty naïve when it came to implementation.
Lenin’s push for participation in elections was due to the Duma which kept getting dissolved by the Czar for becoming increasingly anti monarchy. Between 1906 and 1917 several had been dissolved due to growing constitutional monarchy among the peasants.
Without historical context it sounds like lenin advocated participating in all bourgeoisie elections.
Uh, no. The context is very clear, he offers it himself. He’s talking about movements in other countries, where class consciousness isn’t sufficient for more direct alternatives, specifically Germany. He didn’t mention the Czar or the Duma once in this text.
You should really just read it, it’s pretty short.
How dare you be reasonable and actually try and solve problems instead of just complaining and demonizing anyone who’s not left enough!
They did no such thing. They used a typical liberal approach by finding something that they think aligns with their ideology and claims ‘gotcha’
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Those supporting the oligarchy are the haters of democracy
LOL american doesn’t know better and thinks that is democracy.