Around the same time, Cloudflare’s chief technology officer Dane Knecht explained that a latent bug was responsible in an apologetic X post.

“In short, a latent bug in a service underpinning our bot mitigation capability started to crash after a routine configuration change we made. That cascaded into a broad degradation to our network and other services. This was not an attack,” Knecht wrote, referring to a bug that went undetected in testing and has not caused a failure.

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    If you want a technical breakdown that isn’t “lol AI bad”:

    https://blog.cloudflare.com/18-november-2025-outage/

    Basically, a permission change cause an automated query to return more data than was planned for. The query resulted in a configuration file with a large amount of duplicate entries which was pushed to production. The size of the file went over the prealloctaed memory limit for a downstream system which died due to an unhandled error state resulting from the large configuration file. This caused a thread panic leading to the 5xx errors.

    It seems that Crowdstrike isn’t alone this year in the ‘A bad config file nearly kills the Internet’ club.

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    a routine configuration change

    Honest question (I don’t work in IT): this sounds like a contradiction or at the very least deliberately placating choice of words. Isn’t a config change the opposite of routine?

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      Not really. Sometimes there are processes designed where engineers will make a change as a reaction or in preparation for something. They could have easily made a mistake when making a change like that.

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        E.g.: companies that advertise on a large sporting event might preemptively scale up (maybe warm up depending on language) their servers in preparation for a large load increase following some ad or mention of a coupon or promo code. Failure to capture the market it could generate would be seen as wasted $$$

        Edit: auto-scale does not count on non essential products, people would not come back if the website failed to load on the first attempt.

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        I don’t think it was a bug making the configuration change, I think there was a bug as a result of that change.

        That specific combination of changes may not have been tested, or applied in production for months, and it just happened to happen today when they were needed for the first time since an update some time ago, hence the latent part.

        But they do changes like that routinely.

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          Yeah, I just read the postmortem. My response was more about the confusion that any configuration change is inherently non-routine.

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      They probably mean that they did a change in a config file that is uploaded in their weekly or bi-weekly change window, and that that file was malformed for whichever reason that made the process that reads it crash. The main process depends on said process, and all the chain failed.

      Things to improve:

      • make the pipeline more resilient, if you have a “bot detection module” that expects a file,and that file is malformed, it shouldn’t crash the whole thing: if the bot detection module crahses, control it, fire an alert but accept the request until fixed.
      • Have a control of updated files to ensure that nothing outside of expected values and form is uploaded: this file does not comply with the expected format, upload fails and prod environment doesn’t crash.
      • Have proper validation of updated config files to ensure that if something is amiss, nothing crashes and the program makes a controlled decision: if file is wrong, instead of crashing the module return an informed value and let the main program decide if keep going or not.

      I’m sure they have several of these and sometimes shit happens, but for something as critical as CloudFlare to not have automated integration tests in a testing environment before anything touches prod is pretty bad.

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      They’re laying off testers because they think AI can do it all now.

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          Fun fact time:

          That’s why they’re called computer bugs.

          In 1947, the Harvard Mark II computer was malfunctioning. Engineers eventually found a dead moth wedged between two relay points, causing a short. Removing it fixed the problem. They saved the moth and it’s on display at a museum to this day.

          The moth was not okay.

          And to be fair, the word bug had been used to describe little problems and glitches before that incident, but this was the first case of a computer bug.

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        Obviousness? If you mass layoff your tech staff, you take the risk of more technical failures.

        A smaller staff cannot do the same work as a larger one, and I guarantee you they’re being asked to progress at the same speed. So, the tradeoff is on the quality of the product and the testing, not on the speed of development.

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    I wonder if all recent outages aren’t just crappy AI coding

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      Shitty code has been around far longer than AI. I should know, I wrote plenty of it.

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          It’s always depressing when you ask the AI to explain your code and then you get banned from OpenAI

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            Who didn’t get hit by the fork bug the professor explicitly asked you to watch out for since it would (back then with windows systems being required to use the campus resources) require an admin with Linux access to eliminate.

            It was kind of fun walking in to the tech support area and them asking your login name with no context knowing what the issue was. Must have been a common occurrence that week of the course.

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              It was kind of fun walking in to the tech support area and them asking your login name with no context knowing what the issue was.

              I see this zip bomb was owned by user icpenis, someone track that guy down.

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          Shame on them. I mark my career by how long it takes me to regret the code I write. When I was a junior, it was often just a month or two. As I seasoned it became maybe as long as two years. Until finally i don’t regret my code, only the exigencies that prevented me from writing better.

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      Humans are plenty capable of writing crappy code without needing to blame AI.

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      Indirectly, this was. He said this was a bug in their recent tool that allows sites to block AI crawlers that caused the outages. It’s a relatively new tool released in the last few months, so it makes sense it might be buggy as the rush to stop the AI DoS attacks has been pertinent.

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    Why’s he saying it’s not an attack? Sounds like he’s protesting too much.

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      There’s nothing to be gained from Cloudflare lying about this. It honestly makes them look worse if the outage was caused internally vs if it had been due to an attack