Windows 11 often requires new hardware. But that will be extremely pricey or have very little RAM for a while.

I dont believe that a single competent person works at Micro$oft anymore, but maybe maybe this could lead them to make a less shitty OS?

And garbage software like Adobe Creative Cloud too?

They obviously dont care about users, but the pain could become too big.

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    Tbf software is bloated because higher ups who don’t use computers besides microsoft excel tell programmers to not optimize.

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    The only way to reduce software bloat is to uninstall bloated software and replace it with non-bloated software.

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    If you’ve ever watched cinema sins (or related videos), hahaha hahahaha…haha (no offense meant but it did make me do that laugh in my head is all)

    Mean I wish it would but programmers aren’t going to be more memory efficient due to hardware prices unfortunately.

    The laugh was in good nature, not laughing at you but the concept of a company being efficient for hardware costs, mean technically I guess games were otherwise we’d wait a half hour for a render but for the most part as long as it works without that half hour render it’s probably fine with settings adjustments.

    They’ll just make things with current specs in mind for longer…well once they realize people can’t afford better hardware.

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    Nah, you’ll get 8GB and swap on nvme. Or, you’ll get to rent a terminal server slot for just $30 a month.

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    Naaaah, you are just going to have to run it in the cloud optimised by AI for the low low price of both your kidneys so Bezos, Mark and Elon can continue partying.

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    One of those little truisms folks forget is that optimising software takes a LOT longer than making something that just works.

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      It’s crazy that people don’t see this is where computers are heading.

      The day tech bros realized they could squeeze recurring monthly subscriptions out of you for basically increasingly banal shit the writing was on the wall. The end game is that you have a chromebook with 800 subscriptions to streaming services for your os, music, movies, tv, games, image editing software, music DAWs, plugins for both the aforementioned softwares, subscriptions for hardware associated with the software (eg drawing tablets or midi keyboards), etc but covering every niche you can possibly think of and not just graphic art and music.

      And when you bitch about it tech bros and weird alphas and young zoomers who were raised on this ecosystem and indoctrinated by it will go “well you see it’s fair because updates cost money to develop” as if the old system of expecting bug fixes and security patches to be free but not necessarily feature updates was unfair. Like if I buy a car and it’s fucked up I expect it to be fixed for free but I don’t expect them to feature match the next model year.

      Tech workers are disproportionately high paid and so whiney when they have to provide even a modicum of support because then they have to potentially cut into that disproportionate high pay. Like “oh no i make 80-150,000+ a year but if i support this I’ll have to work more without generating sales and will maybe only make 60-130,000+. The horror!” fuck those libertarian shitstains that are literally overthrowing an entire government (and possibly more) with technofacism so that they can justify their “I know python, I should be able to earn as much as I want, fuck ethics, I never emotionally matured past 16” bullshit

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    Wouldn’t that be nice! Yeah I think it’ll totally work.

    Hey, I think I see someone right now, they’re switching from writing in Python to writing in assembly! “Hey buddy, don’t forget to clear that register! And don’t forget you’ll need to write this all over from scratch to get it to work on any other platform!”

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    I’m currently running Fedora Linux with Firefox and YouTube opened up. The whole system uses ~4GB of memory. That’s totally fine and I couldn’t care less about what Microsoft is doing with their OS.

    With that said, I don’t think we’ll see a lot of optimizations in commercial software. Maybe a few here and there, but a lot of developers nowadays don’t even know how to optimize their code. Especially people working in web development or adjacent frameworks. Let’s just throw hundreds of npm packages into one project and bundle them up with webpack, here’s your 12MB JavaScript - take it or leave it. Projects like this aren’t the exception, they are the norm.

    Even if the devices that can run that code without running out of memory get more expensive, companies will just pay for those and write them off on the taxes. And if not, more apps will just get pushed into the cloud.

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    Just like the early days of programming when you really had to manage your memory, often down to the last bit. Those were the days when programming was more difficult. Now it’s mostly just point and click for middle-schoolers.

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      I’m presuming you know nothing about programming because this is complete and utter nonsense.

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        Well, the point and click part was a bit extreme. Still true in some rare cases, but actual programming still requires a keyboard.

        However the RAM thing is interesting. Haven’t actually written any code in the 70’s and 80’s, but what I’ve heard from people who did, RAM was a huge bottle neck. Well, pretty much everything was. Even the bandwidth between your terminal and the mainframe was a bottle neck that made you suffer.

        Back in those days, programmers were painfully aware of the hardware limitations. If you wanted your code to run within a reasonable amount of time, you absolutely had to focus on optimizing it.

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    There’s plenty of “unbloated” software available. It’s just not on Windows.

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        Firefox currently, though with recent AI related announcements, I’m shopping for replacements. Maybe Iceweasel or Waterfox, have to investigate.

        I keep Opera around as a back up option as well though not sure if it’s suitable as a daily driver.