I’m not sure it’s worth putting a ton of energy into trying to convince Trump voters. Many of them only come to their senses once they are personally affected by his policies.
There needs to be focus on turning out the majority of Americans who dislike Trump. That has to be done with exciting candidates who focus on our systemic problems and actually want to change things. There’s no amount of window dressing and virtue signaling you can hang on corporatists to make people enthusiastic. They must want to vote for the candidate, not just find them more tolerable.
You need an argument more compelling than “he fucks children”. Good luck.
It’s been over a decade.
These aren’t confused people anymore.
They. Are. Traitors.
They are traitors who will do anything, up to and including electing a felon rapist insurrectionist who regularly violates the Constitution and sends a masked unaccountable secret police force to harass and murder Americans, in order to get what they want.
That’s not confusion. That’s malicious intent.
If you want to know how to make traitors stop being traitors. If you want to know how to make fascists stop being fascists. Well, I’m not totally sure I wouldn’t get banned for the answer. I definitely would on Reddit.
Those of us who passed our history classes have been trying for a decade to get people to help vote us in the opposite direction of this. That didn’t work. Now it’s happening and there’s no easy way out of this.
Take part in your community and talk with people. You’d be surprised how much everyone agrees with each other on topics like healthcare.
A gun.
Its the midterms. They’re not on the ballot.
Oh I see the joke. Continue.
You don’t. They’re beyond help.
Well, 2026 is easy because neither of them will be on that ballot. That’s why midterms are tough for incumbents, because there’s less motivation for their party to turn out, but the aggrieved opposition are highly motivated to turn out as a referendum on the current administration.
2028, who knows
man. Anything can happen between now and then. I feel like if someone voted for Trump in 2020 or 2024 then they are terminally stupid.I’m actually non-binary, and I prefer gender-neutral and feminine terms. Seriously!
Begging your pardon for that, sorry.
by having a meaningfull alternative
They’re not going to vote for an alternative unless they’re convinced Trump is bad for them.
I have to wonder how many quiet trump voters there are and why they voted the way they did. Trump got 49.8% of the pop vote but it does not seem like 49.8% of Americans are MAGA flag-wavers. The die-hards are zealots, so basically unreachable. But there have to have been a large number who really thought of the Trump/Harris vote as selecting ‘the lesser of two evils.’ If there had been a real alternative, not even a particular affirmative position but some kind of ‘none of the above, find new candidates’ option, I have to wonder what the results could have looked like.
Maybe a third party, perhaps?
The Democrats need to be real and nominate people who Republicans might actually consider.
Quick. Find a pedophile.
This sort of nonsense is why we have Democrats in Congress right now suggesting increasing the ICE budget.
What we need to radical American populism. Freedom liberty and justice for all. A candidate who stands against the wealthy class in favor of the 99%
Candidates need to promise to improve the economy. That is how Trump got the votes to push him over in 2024.
Could yell amsome insane shit about hin eating dogs and cats. I mean it worked once?
It’s staggeringly impressive that alone didn’t tank his entire presidential hopes. Among the 1,000 other offenses to any sensible human.
And if that was staggeringly impressive, even moreso is that was for his SECOND TERM
The world is waiting for America to become a serious nation again. But we’re actually not waiting because we know that ship has sailed. You guys let J6 slide by ffs…
Good luck convincing a single spineless American to do the right thing.
People do understand what the midterms are, right?
…Right?
Neither Trump nor Vance are up for election in 2026. But quite a few of their GOP cronies are, in the house and senate. All of the house is up for election and roughly one third of the senate. This will most likely be our last chance to oust at least some of Trump’s enablers in congress.
I would also add that the presidents party almost always loses votes in the midterms. This is particularly true for republicans since 2016 because a lot of trump’s supporters only care about him and won’t bother to fill out a ballot without him on it.
I’ll sniff this copium until the midterms
Sorry to remind you that Republicans historically do better in the midterms because more of their voters show up regardless. That’s one of the things the racist old fucks love to do with their copious amount of free time. Watch Fox News and head on down to the voting booths.
For many, it’s likely the only thing they have to look forward to now that many of their families have abandoned them over this shit.
Historically, yes. But that general idea has really been flipped over the last decade. 2018 midterm flipped the house D. 2022 gave Republicans control of the house, but not nearly as badly as expected and even gave an extra D seat in the Senate. There have been countless special elections (same idea, usually even harder than a midterm for Democrats) where they pulled through, giving Georgia and even (briefly) Alabama Democratic senators.
they also have gerrymandering benefiting them, plus thier districts dont face anymore form of voter suppression at all.
it wont undo the damage what trump has done, and what the DNC ENABLED him to do. 8 Ds were chosen as sacrificial lambs by schumers since they arnt up for rele-election this year, to shield the other 13 dems that are.
So that’s why we need a good-enough third party?
Brainstorming here but you have to factor in that right wing media exists to manipulate these people. To specifically fix it, a major part is reverse engineering right wing media and crashing it.
A) prevent chuck schumer from continuing to be in office. Fascist media needs a villain, wrestling needs a heel. remove the low hanging fruit and they start infighting because how could the new guy be responsible for old problems? The “deep state” mythology exists to explain why republican policies (tax cuts) don’t produce results (prosperity).
B) make the new conservative fad to be off social media - camping or whatever it doesnt matter. Get them away from the echo chamber for five minutes and see if boredom without internet causes their brain cells to start working again. At the very least this would reduce the profitability of the media by reducing view counts.
C) People in tennessee are so pilled they thought they could vote against mamdani in the New York Mayoral election. Guerrilla education would be a funny way to combat the stupidity of MAGA. Its speculated that Trump is obsessed with greenland because he thinks its huge due to map distortion on mercator map projections. A way to show how dumb this is indirectly would be to give out free globes.
Edit: I should say it would be easier to win an election with somebody in office like Mamdani who has both charisma and good values. But since the question is specifically getting trumpers to not vote, the answers are what they are.
Its speculated that Trump is obsessed with greenland because he thinks its huge due to map distortion on mercator map projections. A way to show how dumb this is indirectly would be to give out free globes.
Tech bros pulling Stephen Miller’s puppet strings want greenland’s minerals.
Also just a side note, Greenland is roughly 3 times the size of texas. It’s not exactly “small”, even if mercator maps do make it look significantly larger than it is. (comparably to africa, lol.)
They could also fund mines there without attempting to turn it into a US territory. Imo if this was just about mines they would already have done it.
My guess would be the tech bros also want to use it as some kind of utopian bioshock style project, which is the only remotely plausible explanation for pushing it so hard.
You can’t. So spend your time doing more worthwhile things like landing the undecided vote.
The husband of a friend of mine voted Trump both times. He’s recently joined the protests. But he will still vote R.
Another friend votes Trump “because the family has always voted R.” And she’s a frigging STEM professor.
Sooooo… you somehow need better Republicans.
I think the undecided might be dumber than the Trump supporters at this point.
They’re a close 2nd.
Yes, the only thing worse than not being sure if you want to vote for the fascist is being sure you want to vote for the fascist.
Agreed
So, I’ll argue with people on Nextdoor about things like ICE and trans issues when they come up. Over the last few weeks I’ve been talking directly with a woman from there, after a discussion about ICE. She identifies as conservative/libertarian, but to be fair she also voted for the incumbent Democrat in our congressional district so there legitimately was some wiggle room there, not just a MAGA claiming to be moderate.
Over the long course of our conversation, she seems to see the anti-Trump point of view a lot better and even changed her mind a little bit on some topics. I also accidentally triggered what I can best describe as an introspective crisis when I explained that I’m not entirely comfortable considering her a friend when she turns a blind eye to the harm Trump is causing others, including the diverse group of friends I have (it was a more detailed, gentle explanation but that was the gist of it)
Since this is ongoing and I’ve been kind of surprised at how it’s gone, here’s what I think has worked well…
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Keep things friendly. I know that’s hard to do, but if you come on too strong and angry, you’ll just drive people away from you and firmer in their position
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Stay on-topic to the things that matter most. Things like people being sent to CECOT without so much as a trial (disregarding multiple amendments in the bill of rights)
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Stay factual. Be prepared to back up with sources, and offer to ahead of time. Be absolutely sure that everything you say is bulletproofly true. Avoid getting alarmist.
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Pace yourself. I’d go hours just thinking about what was said and how best to respond. We agreed this was best so we didn’t get distracted from our lives too much
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Listen. I can’t think of anything where I’ve really changed my mind, but it does give a way to frame your concerns (“I hear what you’re saying about the influx of migrants. I’m not sure what the data shows there, but if you let the government bypass protocol they’re basically incentivized to let the mess get so big they can take away rights and that doesn’t sit well with me” or “I get that you want people to go through the legal process, but ICE is picking up people in court on their way to their check-ins. They’re TRYING to keep things legal and are getting punished for it”). Sometimes I’ve circled back to things said earlier to make a connection (don’t like CECOT happening? This is the kind of thing that got us there)
This is really helpful and well-explained!
Are you saying deplatforming doesn’t work & open discourse matters? Someone’s got to break it to the purists here.
Both. Any time radicals get their own safe space, they use it to create an echo chamber. You need open dialogue and town square areas on the internet that have a good mix of people and quality, politically impartial moderation.
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