I’ll start by saying that I would say “Yyyyeah, and one of the first cellphones and also the very first 0G telephone service (Altai) was made in the Soviet Union under socialism, go figure”. What would you say?
“You expect me to not participate in this society and just die instead? Cards are currently stacked against us and I’m playing my hand the best I can!”
“I won’t engage in bad faith debate with a dumbass”
“Learn the difference between socialism and communism is before you say things like that.”
“Socialism involves people owning the means of production (whether in a market economy or a planned one). Communism involves exactly that as well, but in a classless stateless moneyless society. No class war, no state, no money, no problem.”
I’ve seen that kind of behavior in exactly two places, Lemmy and Reddit. Not one time in real life have I been asked such a question, and I am pretty fucking outspoken about my opinions.
“Despite my personal beliefs, I still live in a capitalist society, and have to get along somehow.”
“I may be a socialist, but I live under capitalism, and I’ve gotten used to that.”
Ask them why they drive on public roads.
If they speak in simplistic gotchas you might as well respond with another.
It’s hard to compete in road construction with the guys building on stolen land paying for labor with stolen money.
Tell them they’re using one of the oldest logical fallacies, and Ancient philosophers would be embarrassed by them.
I would just point out that you still need to buy things under socialism, and prob communism at that. Shops still exist in Communist countries.
The main difference is the level of choice one gets, and that it’s likely not sold just for the sake of it, but because people actually need it.
I mean that is true, you still have to buy stuff under socialism and communism - I think that under market socialism, prices will have to be controlled. This is where a planned market economy comes in.
"It’s called socialism. I need a society to do it. You like baseball? Why aren’t you playing it right now?
Ok…but, in line with my username, I’m going to stay true to form! I shall take your reaction, which makes sense and proves a point, and I shall instead only use a small out of context portion of it as MY reply. The following series of discussion would in no way make sense, BUT don’t worry. I’ll just gas light the other person by insisting it makes total sense! And then someone will reply “Username relevant”.
“You support socialism, yet you use products of capitalism”
“YOU SHOULD PLAY BASEBALL!”
the most authentic critiques of a system tend to come from within it.
Because I cannot go live on an island and invent the internet. Just because I’m playing the game does not mean I like it. Don’t confuse consumerism with activism.
I’d ask them what makes them think I support socialism.
I use the least capitalistic options?
Easy answer
Ask them for products recommendations.
Like what?
Exactly.
