Nah, I would love if the US was actually a thriving, just, compassionate, and educated nation that used their power for good in the world. That would be much better than a US collapse.
Me too, but I also believe that collapse is a fundamental part of the natural cycles that govern everything in the universe. It’s hubris to think humans can exempt themselves from this natural system, and the belief that we can is a large driver of why we find ourselves here.
We can’t just skip collapse, nor can avoid it. Embrace its coming and celebrate what will grow from it.
the issue is americans at large don’t want that. they don’t vote for it and they tend to hate any candidate that supports those things.
Americans very much love the struggle bus they create for themselves. it’s part of our cultural mythology. so much so that even those at the tippy top will love to tell you about how their life is a struggle of heroic overcoming of the difficult upbringing of only having mere millionaire parents.
Can’t do that without revolution. The US Empire is itself a genocidal settler-colony, it must fundamentally be replaced. Working class orgs like PSL are the best path forward.
I’m not even focused on its origins because many things start for one reason and continue for another but the problem with the US is that it never fundamentally changed. Its methods changed, its culture changed, but the result is still fundamentally the same, just slower and more devious.
You could retain the territory and people but the system itself must fundamentally change, which as you stated can likely only happen through revolution, because the system certainly does not seem capable of overhauling itself.
Yep, but we should study its origins as they do have a factor on how we got here. Dialectical and historical materialism helps us see what needs to be done.
The vast, vast majority of this country who are only marginally invested in politics combined the needs of capital to secure that stability will override whatever political ambitions any leadership has in the long-term. All of the current crisis is still just a flash in the pan, it will pass, the pendulum will swing the other way and the cycle will continue. I’ve been watching it a long ass time, I have seen nothing yet that makes me believe the country will experience wide-scale change.
It’s going to get more authoritarian broadly, it’s going to have more unrest and reduced rights, particularly as the climate changes and the immigration situation gets a lot more inflamed as refugees start piling up to get in, but right now, unless a LOT of people make a lot of huge changes to their media consumption habits, we’re going to see a rougher, nastier status-quo for decades to come.
The USA is a HUGE boat that turns slowly, it’s not one country, it’s 50. And because of that, small changes have huge consequences but only decades down the line. Few people who haven’t actually traveled the nation really get the scale involved and what has to change before we see lasting change.
With every crisis, with every bit of imperilism that dies, the Statesian public becomes more aware of their chains. Media is only useful for giving people narratives they want to agree with, not for convincing people outright. The Empire is dying, and with it comes dramatic radicalization. Even looking at younger generations over time, communism is rapidly rising in popularity:
Quantitative buildup is reaching qualitative leaps, like heating water until it boils. It looks like nothing’s happening until suddenly everything is.
Nah, I would love if the US was actually a thriving, just, compassionate, and educated nation that used their power for good in the world. That would be much better than a US collapse.
That and the whole billions dying as a result of US collapse isn’t great either.
I just want them to keep it to themselves. Whatever they produce, just stay in borders, that’s all I ask.
Me too, but I also believe that collapse is a fundamental part of the natural cycles that govern everything in the universe. It’s hubris to think humans can exempt themselves from this natural system, and the belief that we can is a large driver of why we find ourselves here.
We can’t just skip collapse, nor can avoid it. Embrace its coming and celebrate what will grow from it.
the issue is americans at large don’t want that. they don’t vote for it and they tend to hate any candidate that supports those things.
Americans very much love the struggle bus they create for themselves. it’s part of our cultural mythology. so much so that even those at the tippy top will love to tell you about how their life is a struggle of heroic overcoming of the difficult upbringing of only having mere millionaire parents.
That’s the opposite of a collapse. We call that a prolapse.
Can’t do that without revolution. The US Empire is itself a genocidal settler-colony, it must fundamentally be replaced. Working class orgs like PSL are the best path forward.
I’m not even focused on its origins because many things start for one reason and continue for another but the problem with the US is that it never fundamentally changed. Its methods changed, its culture changed, but the result is still fundamentally the same, just slower and more devious.
You could retain the territory and people but the system itself must fundamentally change, which as you stated can likely only happen through revolution, because the system certainly does not seem capable of overhauling itself.
Yep, but we should study its origins as they do have a factor on how we got here. Dialectical and historical materialism helps us see what needs to be done.
Which is still about a century away.
What makes you say that?
The vast, vast majority of this country who are only marginally invested in politics combined the needs of capital to secure that stability will override whatever political ambitions any leadership has in the long-term. All of the current crisis is still just a flash in the pan, it will pass, the pendulum will swing the other way and the cycle will continue. I’ve been watching it a long ass time, I have seen nothing yet that makes me believe the country will experience wide-scale change.
It’s going to get more authoritarian broadly, it’s going to have more unrest and reduced rights, particularly as the climate changes and the immigration situation gets a lot more inflamed as refugees start piling up to get in, but right now, unless a LOT of people make a lot of huge changes to their media consumption habits, we’re going to see a rougher, nastier status-quo for decades to come.
The USA is a HUGE boat that turns slowly, it’s not one country, it’s 50. And because of that, small changes have huge consequences but only decades down the line. Few people who haven’t actually traveled the nation really get the scale involved and what has to change before we see lasting change.
With every crisis, with every bit of imperilism that dies, the Statesian public becomes more aware of their chains. Media is only useful for giving people narratives they want to agree with, not for convincing people outright. The Empire is dying, and with it comes dramatic radicalization. Even looking at younger generations over time, communism is rapidly rising in popularity:
Quantitative buildup is reaching qualitative leaps, like heating water until it boils. It looks like nothing’s happening until suddenly everything is.
Same but i don’t think that’s compatible with the current design. I’m not a collapsvocate, btw.
Yeah and I’d love if the ingredients in my fridge became a fully cooked meal instantly
Unfortunately sometimes you need an intermediate step… May not be easy or pretty.
I wish it could be so, though.
In this analogy nobody is making food though, just unplugging the fridge.
But then it wouldn’t be
. It would be something else. And 
would have to go the way of the dinosaur for that to happen.
It would, but as usual things have to get much worse before they get better.