‘I would like to enjoy the benefits of collective efforts without supporting the political ideology that makes it possible in the first place.’

Federation works in mysterious ways

Thanks! TIL I have a tankie in my extended family lol. Whenever we’ve talked about Russia/Ukraine or really anything, the response is ‘but what about the dems!’. Its weird to have someone who’s educated and seems quite rational in most ways actually believe that the pre-trump US was worse than Russia, where you really can’t be a journalist without falling out of a window. Another of their favourite arguments is ‘stop imposing your western values onto other cultures who don’t want them’ SMH. Still, I’d choose a tankie over a MAGA.

Welcome!

The straw that breaks the camel’s back!

I’d say the powermods here can be even worse. Immediate bans for anything even slightly leftist in those communities.

They just label anyone who opposes European Nazis “tankies” now.

Never said Lemmy is pro-corporate. The anti-Lemmy.ml posters are.

By “apologists for their crimes,” you’re referring to Lemmy.ml users providing sources dispelling the western hoaxes. Yes, they tend to be better educated and don’t simply repeat western propaganda that’s been debunked.

I agree. They should look at Lemmy.ml to see what y’all are opposing.

Thank you for your accidental recruitment efforts.

I do think .ml is a little too intense, but op is also kinda right about .world imo. Come to dbzero, we’ve got anarchism and piracy

Thank god you’re documenting the very important and widely censored speech like… checks links “we were gonna ban you anyway!!”.

Phew, this constructive dialogue will not go unheard by the people. Free speech is restored.

I originally joined .ml excited for a less shit leftist internet space. I really gave it a chance.

But it’s the same ML brainrot you find way too often in leftist spaces. It has nothing to do with worker liberation and is just focused on relitigating the cold war and defending different tyrants. I actually spent a lot of time defending ML for leftist diversity I now understand was largely imagined. That stopped when they kept banning me for not licking the boot.

Go ahead, my post history is an open book lmao

idk they just seem like a bog standard Anglosphere liberal who has made “being online” their entire identity. The more time they waste posting, the less active they’ll be in the real world, so just let them rot their brains away in peace tbh.

Hey, I’m sure it pays well for them

Whenever I see comments like these, and their posters are asked to ellaborate, they usually always end up with something along the lines of “Well I wanted to be transphobic in peace and they wouldn’t let me”.

I won’t ask you to elaborate. Don’t know if it’s your case, don’t care either. At this point if you are seriously attempting to conflate .ml with the other two instances you are undoubtedly engaging in bad faith. But if this wasn’t already a red flag in its own right, you went out of your way to confirm it by saying that “.ml is legitimately worse than reddit in basically every way”.

You are not “thousands of users” and it’s quite pretentious of you to project your experience onto so many people. However, by adding fuel to the constant fire of the never-ending tankie discourse on Lemmy, you are helping making this place hostile to everyone except for a very thin fraction of the political spectrum (the one that is allowed to thrive in the West), therefore making it suck on Lemmy for, you know, actual thousands of users of many different backgrounds and creeds that don’t share the rabid anti-tankie brainrot.

You put it perfectly, there is a lot of good people on those instances, but there is a few (very active) there that make those instances unbearable.

Not willing to start an argument, since this whole topic about “tankies” on Lemmy is exactly as toxic, disingenuous and unproductive as it was back on Reddit, so I might not reply further than this.

But elsewhere in this thread I have seen you post “evidence” that was actually just some ridiculous meanwhileongrad thread. If we are going by those standards then I might as well pull out all the exaggerated out of context circlejerking about liberals that is common on Hexbear. If we are to drop our collective IQ to zero, we may well be playing this game in both directions. But oh wait, turns out it’s only bad when Hexbear does it to own the libs, but it’s fully solid compelling evidence when another certain instance does it about “tankies”.

The claim that .ml is censoring comments “for nothing else other than being against Russia/China/NK”, at the very least, does not match my experience of browsing .ml at all. But if you do have evidence as you say, I invite you to actually post it and let people discuss. It shouldn’t be hard; the modlog is public.

That said, I’m personally not interested in starting the 95474214th Lemmy argument about tankies this week on this website so don’t expect me to reply.

I was on Hexbear and am on .ml. I don’t say and I don’t see anything like what you lot bang on about.

Another guy crying about free speech of .ml while writing on the unfederated protocol created by .ml. You guys are such a joke please go find something to do in real life rather than inventing yourself an alternate oppressed life.

socialism = murdering innocent civilians is a propaganda trope. who would want that?

china is not a dictatorship. russia is better than the US.

not many leftists (even marxist-leninists like myself) want things to be exactly like in the soviet union. firstly because conditions were different back then, secondly because they were the very first socialist experiment and made many mistakes despite their great advancements. theres also the fact that period was heavily propagandized to westerners, making for a biased view of what it was.

we learned a lot since then and socialism is supposed to be adapted to the will of the people and current material conditions. every socialist country does things differently. as a south american i personally like the latin american attempts and would love to see them grow uninmpeded by imperialism.

Libertarian socialism

Capitalism cannot be killed by any political movement unwilling to repress Capitalists. Look at the state of Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism the world over, and how in every borgeois democracy it is losing ground to fascism, and either accept the truth or bury your head in the sand.

socialism is, by definition, more democratic than any capitalist regime because it can’t work if people don’t want it. it also provides an excellent framework for overthrowing capitalism.

if not that, then what do you want it replaced with?

o no mr cop i swear im obeying

I got banned for calling someone naive when they said they were going to vote third party last year lmao