I think a lot of these people fail to realize that they aren’t Fediverse material isn’t because it’s “complicated” or “filled with linux nerds”. No, it’s because they are the people the Fediverse was created to escape, fascist right-wing extremists. It is more than natural they wouldn’t fit in here because that ideology isn’t compatible with the federated space and working together, if it was why didn’t those people build their own fediverse? I mean they tried, but not so they could connect their sites together and interoperate, only so they could try and take over our spaces, so they could try and force their messages onto us. When we blocked them and plugged our ears they gave up on Federation like that.
So it’s best to not worry too much about getting these people to join here, but rather debunking any arguments they may have against federation and its viability. The end goal isn’t to get EVERYONE* to join the Fediverse, it’s to get left leaning people and normies to while leaving all the extremists behind. At a point platforms like Reddit and Twitter become as insufferable as Gab or TruthSocial and the only real people there are the alt-right people.
Where are the centrist and right leaning spaces? As far as I can tell, they’re almost completely empty.
You’re in it, buddy.
Also:
good. i don’t want to share this space with fascists.
Lol toxic to what? MAGA?
Whenever I see complaints like these, purposefully vague about what kind of “exteme views” they have a problem with, I have to think of this meme
There it is! That’s the meme!
If Lemmy is extreme leftist, this person is likely to be conservative or they keep stumbling into Grad and think that’s the whole platform.
I tend to lean towards ineptitude in this case though.
I mean, we are way lefter than reddit, and given that the bell curve of intelligent responses is located at about the same place, we probably look a lot further left than we are to liberals and right of there. (i.e. stupid responses and extremist responses look pretty similar.)
My first day on my first account I saw more overt racism on Lemmy than I saw on Reddit in a year. Being able to block the tankie triad instances fixed most of this.
This you, defending colonizers and Just Asking Questions about fascism?
I call bullshit. What racism did you see exactly, “reverse-racism”? Did you see Western settler-colonialists get insulted? Do you have even a Wikipedia-level understanding of racism?
I mean… he ain’t exactly wrong. Lemmy IS primarily far left users at the moment. Some of them extremely left.
Like I understand that this particular user didn’t really give it a fair shake, but lets not pretend those comments are wrong about that specific aspect of Lemmy. I have observed that you generally cannot have nuanced discussions on a myriad of topics on lemmy as there is a “right” and “wrong” stance in the eyes of the majority here.
Some of y’all are so far left that anyone even a millimeter to the right of you is seen as the second coming of Adolf himself.
Now obviously I understand that Lemmy isn’t homogeneous, but it definitely has a majority user base that leans so far left it’s pretty much laying on the ground at this point.
Thats just my 2¢ as left leaning moderate.
I have observed that you generally cannot have nuanced discussions on a myriad of topics on lemmy as there is a “right” and “wrong” stance in the eyes of the majority here.
Does this mean that you believe in nothing? Because I can’t really interpret it any other way.
Im not really sure how that is the only way you interpreted what I said there…
I believe in all sorts of things. I haven’t really gotten into many political conversations on Lemmy. I have simply seen in other threads I was reading through that the grand majority has their stance and anyone that doesn’t necessarily agree with that stance tends to get downvoted or banned pretty quickly. Not exactly a place of thoughtful debate. More of one group dogpiling a minority opinion until it’s gone.
Sorta like a self sustained echo chamber or something. If anyone comes in with an outside perspective the horde attacks until it’s dead or leaves. Just makes most of the threads kinda boring because it’s a bunch of people all agreeing on everything.
It’s fine if that’s how you wanna live but I prefer talking to people I don’t necessarily agree with from time to time. Expand my horizons and view topics from different perspectives. Kinda a major part of the human experience.
So you do believe that the positions you hold are correct, that they are “right” rather than “wrong”? Otherwise, why would you hold them?
It’s fine if that’s how you wanna live but I prefer talking to people I don’t necessarily agree with from time to time. Expand my horizons and view topics from different perspectives. Kinda a major part of the human experience.
I’ve been on this planet for nearly half a century, so I’ve already heard all the so-called “arguments” that are supposed to counter the things I believe. They’re all garbage, and they never change.
So after half a century of being alive you have just decided there’s nothing else to learn and nothing you could be mistaken about. No reason to talk things out and hear others’ opinions. Because you are the oldest wisest human being ever.
I (not the person you answered to) do believe I am right on the opinions I hold, but I’m not certain of it. So I read, and I discourse, and I consider other points of view, in case my opinions could have been mistaken. That won’t mean I will suddenly consider “hey maybe the Nazis were right killing all those people they hated”. There will be some aspects where I won’t budge in my opinion, but most things are nuanced and harder to draw a line for than the nazi example.
But then again, why would what I say matter, all arguments opposed to you are garbage and wrong.
We could quibble about where the ‘moderate’ stance actually is, but i find it more refreshing to debate the nuances of differing leftist stances rather than deal with brain-dead reactionary takes that i find in the typical reddit community
I don’t think most Americans realize just how rightward their politics have been pushed over even the last 15 years
American moderates are center right. In most places. You would be correct that America skews right in genral.
As I am an American I am measuring myself based on America’s politics spectrum. I seem to piss off people on both sides of the isle.
I am pro gun. Pro choice. Pro universal health care. I don’t care about sexual orientation you are. I don’t care what consenting adults are doing in the privacy of their own homes. I honestly don’t care about gay marriage or if someone wants to marry their car. I think we didn’t separate church and state enough. Pro free speech.
Mostly I think the government should leave everyone the fuck alone.
Took about 30 seconds
And I would feel fairly confident that the commenter was a woman because attacking someones personality (that they don’t know at all) is typically done by women
Was this in their history? I can’t find it.
I avoid news and political communities so I don’t really know that the crowd is about over there. People on [email protected] and [email protected] are usually nice
Yeah if you avoid political subs and political topics in general Lemmy is great. But if you sort by Lemmy’s version of “r/all” it’s almost all political stuff and the comments are all primally unidirectional.
Trying to sanitize /all through the means of blocking half of Lemmy is way too much effort, and still won’t produce a good experience I think. I personally prune and maintain an extensive subscribed list instead and almost exclusively browse /subscribed. That still lets me access /all (or /local) whenever I feel like it without having half the content blocked, but can still avoid news and politics in my day to day browsing.
If I used it more than just during downtime at work I would probably bother but really I just kinda mindlessly scroll between tasks at work. The nature of my work means it’s a lot of hurry up and wait. So Lemmy fills the waiting portion. Once I’m home I have my full computer and all that I have no reason to be on Lemmy anymore lol
I browse All, but blocked all the news and politics on my main account. I check every few days on an alt.
That’s probably the most sane way to approach politics these days. Check in once in awhile. Seeing it all day every day would drive anyone insane. And clearly it has for many people.
We should start a news service that gives you a summa of the week or something. So people can stay somewhat informed but not have it ruin every waking moment of their days…
That could be a cool community
There’s probably a YouTuber that already does that, but lord knows they are probably biased in one direction or another. I miss purely factual reporting.
what are some of your specific disagreements with this far left cohort?
Not my stances personally just other threads I have lurked in. I have just observed that in other threads there tends to be the majority that thinks A is the right answer on the given topic and if anyone drops by and says “well I don’t think B is entirely incorrect” they get downvoted or banned.
Not exactly a place for great discussion to take place.
some opinions don’t deserve the time of day. it’s concerning that you dodged my question.
I fundamentally disagree. Just because you or I may not like someones opinions doesn’t mean I don’t think they shouldn’t be allowed to have them.
You can’t stop people from thinking what they think. If you silence them or shut them out they arent going to suddenly change their opinions on things. If anything that will just cause most people to double down. The only way change happens is if they are constantly running up against other opinions and they realize that maybe their own stance doesn’t line up with what they think anymore.
I’m sure we all had opinions as kids and then we learned something at school that changed our opinions on something. Had we been shut out of the conversation or learning that new thing because of our initial opinions we never would have heard the other perspective or info that ultimately caused us to reevaluate our own stances.
I believe being able to have conversations with someone you disagree with is a fundamental requirement for a functional society.
your position is one that inevitably lets nazis and wreckers infest queer safe spaces. can’t you agree a zero tolerance policy is needed for certain “opinions” (i.e. nazis, homophobes, transphobes, racists, misogynists etc.) or are you genuinely a free speech warrior shithead? because that’s pee pee poo poo reddit debate lord shit. it’s concerning the way you dodged my initial question. you will probably dodge this question too to avoid showing your ass.
Do fascist opinions deserve the light of day? Should we tolerate cryptofascists JAQing off on Lemmy? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
Part of the issue is with what YOU label as a fascist and what others would label as fascist may not align. It’s like freedom of speech. As soon as you start trying to make exceptions it becomes a slippery slope of who is the one enforcing it and from what view point. Either it’s all ok to be discussed or none of it is.
You certainly don’t have to agree with them, but I don’t think banning them or trying to cut them out helps anything in the long run. If anything it’s makes the problem worse because then they are only around people that have their same views and their opinions dig in deeper and start multiplying.
You can’t defeat hate by trying to cut it off.
Poor Nazi. Hopefully they felt really unwelcome and unsafe.
I was going to question what makes you think they’re far right but
If their experience is anything like mine, it’s populated by mostly far left wing Americans who were banned from Reddit for being too extreme.
Where are the centrist and right leaning spaces? As far as I can tell, they’re almost completely empty.
I agree, Reddit is massively extreme left politic trolls. The ones that have left reddit for lemmy because of corporealism is even further down that rabbit hole. Honestly social media is just a political psyop at this point.
😐 God, i remember why i left reddit now. It’s just a circlejerk of racists thinking they’re “progressive”
“Social democracy is the moderate wing of fascism” - Happybadger, 2025
They didn’t specify Hexbear or Lemmygrad by name which is the normal course for a radlib from somewhere like lemmy.world when they’re making this kind of post. That to me says they didn’t join an instance like mine where there’s an actual culture of left purity testing. I can all but guarantee they joined lemmy.ml, .world, or one of the other instances that are about as liberal as bluesky and actively recruited during the IPO-era reddit exodus. Reddit is so obscenely reactionary/libertarian that they’d be culture shocked by a lemmy instance where they can’t openly say the most antisocial thing you’ve heard this week and get a little trophy for it.
If anyone says that the general fediverse feed is too radical for them, it’s on them to disprove they’re a Nazi. They might not even consciously consider themselves a Nazi, but they’re going down some pewdiepipeline. The general fediverse feed, and most of the content you’d see on an explicitly radical instance like mine, is so benign if not milquetoast liberal that you shouldn’t feel this kind of opposition to it. Nothing about the instances I generally disagree with would make me want to go back to reddit on a new account. To feel ideological solidarity with
but not any part of the fediverse is a huge red flag.I genuinely don’t have a clue what “extremist content” (in terms of mainstream instances) they’re talking about. If fucking .world is “radical” to you i don’t want to see your opinions on a bad day lol.
The worst part is they’re flooding lemmy now, i’ve noticed an uptick in racism (admin, so i see most reports) and it’s pretty fucking disappointing. I left reddit due to racism against arabs and non-westerners in general, and those idiots want to come here? Fuck, lemmy isn’t perfect but way better than those scumbags.
Your post was enjoyable for me to read and this …
pewdiepipeline
Never seen this before. Thanks for being it to my attention if you invented this i actually love you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnmRYRRDbuw
That’s from a good video essay about how people are radicalised toward fascism through communities that normalise racist jokes. He was really vindicated with the rise of streamer fascism. That same basic model applies to a website like reddit or twitter where a right-wing audience and algorithm reward you for becoming more right-wing.
If assholes don’t like Lemmy, GOOD.
The main issue with this kind of posts is that it might prevent non-assholes potential new joiners to give the platform a try
True, but I think it’s a small price to pay. I’d rather have a smaller Lemmy that maintains the current atmosphere than a bigger Lemmy with a larger percentage of jerks.
Honestly curious… what exactly are you doing in a community who’s stated goal is to evangelize the Lemmy network?
Let’s see how 75k monthly active users looks like. There’s probably still room to grow.
Oh no… Anyway…
I never know what to do with these lol
it actually has quite a few upvotes too
I was on lemmy for a bit and did try just using “subscribed”. It was like I said in another reply, it was either all content with the same mindset and no dialogue or it was a ghost town.
It is in fact possible for people to just dislike lemmy and want something else.
This isn’t a terribly unfair criticism tbh
This person might not be that great with computers, based on reading their replies.
