I had a discussion with @[email protected] recently where they insisted that Anarchists on Hexbear accept Lenin’s analysis of Imperialism and therefore all support “Actual Existing Socialist” states such as Cuba, USSR and I guess North Korea as well.
In fact, they argued it’s the reason most anarchists of Hexbear don’t like to discuss anarchism away from hexbear, explicitly because outside anarchists do not support “AES”.
So I’m curious to see what your thoughts are on this. If you’re an anarchist who supports “AES” how do you square this support with the conflict these states have with anarchist theory on hierarchy?
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Can we make a list of countries that are AES without having fascist / totalitarian characteristics?
I have seen Cowbee write AES, but I thought the term was specifically to avoid something like NK counting against their arguments. I don’t understand how NK is AES? I’ll have to ask them which places are AES at all next time I see them use it.
North Korea doesn’t even claim that Juche is socialism anymore.
Is Anarcho-Leninism a thing now? It sounds as antithetical as an atheist regularly going to the [place of cult] to pray.
Since they’re all over the place in that other post already, some Hexbear anarchists can surely take a little time off from dunking in order to explain how they deal with such a contradiction, and what it means exactly for them.That makes about as much sense as “anarcho-capitalism”. Of course it’s no fun to have your mental gymnastics questioned outside of Hexbear 😅
But ok, for the sake of argument, maybe a dysfunctional late-stage AES is a more suitable ground for building something in the shell of the old. At least people in these states know from first hand experience just how bad state control can get.
Edit: curious that you left out China in your list of AES.
I’m actually not up to date on what the ML analysis on China is lately. Do they still consider it “AES” or is it seen more capitalist nowadays? I can’t always keep up with the mental gymnastics on display :D
Hexbear doesn’t care about the answer to that question. They support modern-day Russia which doesn’t have any pretense of socialism. Their stance is first and foremost anti-American. Anything else is window dressing.
From what I’ve gathered, Hexbear is just incredibly tankie driven. It wouldn’t surprise me if there are self-proclaimed “anarchists” on there that are just tankies painted black, du to social pressure.
As many have pointed out: anarchists usually don’t support “AES”. The spectrum I’ve seen ranges from “1917 was actually a bourgeois revolution” to “they tried but got corrupted in some way”.
Dude I can’t even get them to acknowledge China isn’t a good guy in every action, don’t bother.
Oh.
Not Advanced Encryption Standard. Right.
No, I don’t support EAS in that context, because none of the states that they’re citing are anything other than deeply, profoundly authoritarian.
> “Actually existing socialism”
> look inside
> capitalism, but the state is the capitalist
There’s a ton of ways to be an anarchist and the diversity of ideas is something generally celebrated, but the one minimum requirement is that you aren’t supportive of states (and hierarchy of course, but I’m just talking about the literal meaning of anarchy here), especially authoritarian states…
