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People are blaming Collective Shout but crazy lobbying groups have always existed. Visa and Mastercard are solely responsible for acquiescing. Maybe it’s time we stop caring so much what people on the political extremes have to say?
Collective shout finacials year: 2024 revenue: 458043 employee_expenses: 107000 other_expenses: 215488 net_surplus: 135555 employees: total_fte: 2 full_time: 0 part_time: 1 casual: 4 volunteers: 15 donations_and_bequests: 389800 government_grants: 0 commercial_income: 0 expense_to_revenue_ratio: "70.4%" average_expense_per_employee: 39400 Leadership - name: Melinda Tankard Reist role: Founder, Movement Director public_socials: - Twitter: @MelTankardReist - Instagram: @collective.shout public_email_address: Not publicly listed salary: Not publicly listed - name: Caitlin Roper role: Campaigns Manager public_socials: - Instagram: @collective.shout public_email_address: Not publicly listed salary: Not publicly listed - name: Renee Chopping role: Campaigns Strategy public_socials: - LinkedIn public_email_address: r******@collectiveshout.org salary: Not publicly listed - name: Lyn Swanson Kennedy role: Campaigns Strategy public_socials: - Instagram: @collective.shout public_email_address: Not publicly listed salary: Not publicly listed - name: Coralie Alison role: Movement Operations Manager public_socials: - Twitter: @CoralieAlison - Instagram: @collective.shout public_email_address: Not publicly listed salary: Not publicly listedBecause you have allowed the social discourse to be dominated by authoritarians, and have not supported the voices of your fellows that fight against fascism, you are now being overrun by fascists.
Enjoy. You have no one to blame but yourselves.
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“All these porn sick brain rotted pedo gamer fetishists so desperate to get their hands on rape-my-little-sister incest games they’re now exchanging clues on how to find them so that they don’t all die overnight,” Collective Shout co-founder Melinda Tankard Reist tweeted
Ah, so this was a rational, scientific study-based campaign centered around ensuring the health and well-being of society, and not at all an emotionally-charged crusade to take material away from people you find repulsive based on content you personally object to. Got it.
Melinda speaks like she’s on 4chan
There’s a lot of overlap between the most terminally online “rad”"“fem”"s and kiwifarmers, so there’s also a nonzero chance you’re right.
“All these porn sick brain rotted pedo gamer fetishists so desperate to get their hands on rape-my-little-sister incest games they’re now exchanging clues on how to find them so that they don’t all die overnight,” Collective Shout co-founder Melinda Tankard Reist tweeted on July 18th.
She sounds deranged.
i wonder what her own perversion is. It’s likely quite disturbing - nobody has that much anger and scorn over other people’s sex lives and a healthy sex life of their own.
I think she just told us what her thing is, “rape my little sister incest games”
I did think her use of a first person pronoun there was a bit odd, but I didn’t put that together. You might be onto something.
Australia is also the same place where they had to switch the word “drugs” out with “chems” in Fallout, and video games have to have green blood. That whole place is ass backwards and upside down, as one would expect given its geographical location.
As an Australian this is accurate, remember it is illegal here to share nude photos or porn if the woman has small breasts! Because protect the children
What in the world is the litmus test for that
If they don’t think “BAZONGAS!” when they see them, then they’re too small.
Has anyone been convicted of this?
The country started life as a prison with prison rules, seems they forgot to get rid of those rules when they became a real country
No, they went too far in the opposite direction. “Okay we all got sent here for murder, whoring, and illicit trafficking, so let’s switch to punishing those with person and fines.”
If prisoner colonists put you in prison is it double prison?
it’s dumb that that’s the reason for the change…but i honestly associate that kind of fantasy language with fallout in general.
makes it feel more like a parallel world, close but not quite like our own, and helps suspension of disbelief!
overall a good change, imho, for a very dumb reason…silver linings, i guess…
Morphine was switched to Med-X (worldwide) due to refusal for classification in Australia for Fallout 3 in 2008. Fallout has used the word “chems” in every country since the start I thought.
Are you claiming that all video games have to have green blood to be sold in Australia?
video games have to have green blood.
This is completely untrue.
They might be referring to the 90s, post Mortal Kombat.
A lot of games got blood censorship in a lot of countries.
Even before that I know some games like Contra they replaced the infected “humans” with robots.
I am really fucking old, to be fair, but every time I hear about violent video games being censored it’s Australia.
There was a time before the R18+ classification for video games existed that some violent games were refused classification (Left 4 Dead 2 being one of the most prominent examples; the gore and dismemberment were cut out, but the blood was still red and it was trivial to restore the gore), but that stopped being an issue about 15 years ago.
That’s way after the SNES and NES era
True, but I was a child and was not old enough to remember how strict the Australian classification rules for video games were back then.
The US is filled with gun crazy bigoted nut bags who love to go around bathrooms for genital inspections while crying at the sight of any rainbow flag.
See how unhelpful it is to make shitty generalisations?
Not really - seems like a pretty accurate description
Isn’t that the case though?
I think this was a ratings issue. I think you can make video games with real life drugs in them but if you don’t want an +18 rating you’ll have to compromise. I think Bethesda got told they could only sell the game to adults and so they changed the names to make more money. I mean I was playing GTA selling real drugs and playing fallout 4 and doping on fake drugs on the same PS4 at 15, I just couldn’t walk into eb’s and buy a copy of GTA without my dad there lol.
I’m all for creative freedoms but when it comes to selling games to kids that show real life drugs as giving sweet buffs, maybe a little subtlety is warranted.
Anyway obligatory ragebait dum American can’t comprehend nuance comment
Kinda correct, it was a ratings issue. The problem was that we didn’t have an 18+ rating for video games - if your game was deemed 18+ then you couldn’t sell it here. Sex, depictions of drug use, and a couple of other things I can’t remember right now are reasons for an instant 18+ rating.
Bethesda got told they couldn’t sell it to anyone in Australia, so they compromised to drugs that didn’t actually exist.
Left 4 Dead had something similar with the gore; if I remember correctly, L4D rating submission referred to the zombies as “monsters” (or something) and passed while L4D2 referred to the zombies as “infected people”… because they were now people, our ratings board
shit the bedprotected the children and gave it 18+ until they removed the bodies and gore. It was patched back in by Valve when we got an 18+ rating.South Park: The Stick of Truth has/had some good censored scenes about this, graphically describing Randy being probed by an alien while the graphic of a koala sits in the background. These were patched out too I think (or I downloaded a mod).
We still have people like these lobbying against porn on Steam, but the overall situation got a lot better when we got an 18+ rating.
The first Australian +18 video game was released in January 2013, GTA 5 came out in December 2013 and fallout 4 was released in November… 2015
From what I can tell from the timeline of events it absolutely was a move by Bethesda to market the game to kids.
The name changes go back to Fallout 3 (at least, I can’t recall if FO1 & FO2 had the same drama).
By the time of Fallout 4, names like Med-X (morphine), Rad-Away (iodine), Brawno (amphetamine? I can’t remember) were well and truly bedded in, and suited the aesthetic. Why change it at that point? They’ve created names that suit the aesthetic better than the actual drug names.
I was in my mid/late 20s when this was all going down. I grey imported the MK reboot so I could play, had a copy of Manhunt, and others. The Fallout drug names were a result of the lack of 18+ rating and trying to comply with MA15.
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2008/07/fallout-3-cant-get-a-rating-in-australia/
https://www.smh.com.au/technology/fallout-continues-from-ban-on-game-20080715-gdsma8.html
https://www.gameshub.com/news/features/australian-classification-law-video-games-2646457/
Ah yeah true dat
“Pro life feminist”
I give my left leg if this is not another TERF group
Surprising absolutely nobody, you’re spot on.
If you can substantiate that, might be good to pass to someone in journalism… “Visa allies with TERFs” makes an epic headline ;)
Feminists are TERFs & homophobes PERIOD, the ones that aren’t are in hiding.
I study at a quite left university. Several of my lectures are about or at least cover some feminist theories. There are a lot of outspoken feminist people here, as well as quite a few queer folk. I have yet to meet a single homophobic or terf feminist.
Oh boy, you’ll learn
People thinking porn addiction causes all the problems in society, must be a day ending in Y.
Porn addiction isn’t even real, Christians made it up to shame people
This is not correct.
Contrary to the earlier notion that addiction is predominantly a substance dependency, research now suggests that any source or experience capable of stimulating an individual has addictive potential. This has led to a paradigm shift in the psychiatric understanding of behavioural addictions. These can refer to a range of behaviors such as gambling, video gaming, and sexual practices. Hypersexual behavior and pornography addiction come to the fore when the behavior becomes intensive, out of the individual’s control, and persists in that pattern despite harmful consequences and risk of harm to one’s emotional and/or physical health.
Pron addiction is just Christian men who watch an average amount feeling guilty about it because their religion groomed them to feel guilty to control them.
You are entitled to that opinion, but it is in defiance to what science says about the topic.
Alright, time to research and rat these idiots out. The fact that they tried to ban Detroit: Become Human is enough for me to know that they’re not gamers at all and are just cookers.
I’m trying to follow the money and can’t find much but there are very strong ties to the Christian/Baptist community, which means that there is an above 0% chance that Advance Australia has or is providing funding.
Their partners and partner’s partners are anti-sex (such as CATWA who believe that all prostitution is not a job but is a form of sex trafficking and appears to be against the sex industry), anti-abortion, and all board members and their associated partners are very painfully white.
There’s also an association with the NCJWA, whose president appears to be pro Zionist and has lauded Jillian Segal as a voice of moral clarity (anti-semetic envoy for government pushing to reduce protest rights, husband made a $50k donation to Advance Australia).
Hilariously, one of their partners is called ‘Campaign Against Sex Robots’.
Anyway, in summary, this appears to be a very well funded right wing puritan religious group whose only games experiences are in the political realm rather than PC.
Collective Shout is a self-described feminist non-partisan organization, but has alleged ties with anti-trans and conservative organizations. The group has developed a reputation as a sort of puritan crusade that targets everything from Detroit: Become Human to Tyler, the Creator.
This one quote tells me what kind of people Collective Shout are. First, Collective Shout will go after the low hanging fruit and then will move to LGBT themed games.
There’s ample evidence that a lot of recent self-identifying “feminist” grassroots organisations worldwide are fronts for (or sponsored by) christo-fascist organisations.
After gay marriage passed to widespread popular support in multiple countries, there was a whole considered and deliberate regrouping, where they identified trans rights and porn as wedge issues that they could present their bigoted view as a progressive one. That’s why we’re suddenly inundated with orgs like this one; they’re posing as feminists and progressives but they’re actually bigots trying to occupy progressive or mainstream spaces, and give shelter to bigotry in others.
And yet when you call them out for co-opting the feminist label, instead of being outed by actual feminists, their detractors are publicly lambasted as being anti-feminist.
Mission accomplished
It’s a hate group and Valve is caving to them.
That would mean that they actually are responsible. I don’t think that’s correct, at best they complained to payment processors to make them enforce their pre-existing bullshit rules. That’s where the problem lies IMO, those corporations should not be allowed to ban paying for legal goods and services, especially since they have formed a cartel.
This is we can’t have nice things.
Nice things like games involving incest and rape?
Sir: If it’s illegal, please notify the authorities. If it’s not illegal, then I’ll have to politely ask you to fuck off.
That logic falls apart real fast. Hitting children, for example. Legal, but is it right?
Some places have legal laws that are horrifying. You can see the other implementation of your logic there. Like, is being gay a bad thing, as long as it is illegal?
I have no obligation to follow your moral compass - which is nothing more than your opinion. The only common denominator binding both of us, is codified law.
Ah, the german approach (used mainly between 1934 and 1945) 😉
Is it projection again?
Yup something tells me they like trump
I’m sure if you dig deep enough into the people involved you’ll crawl out with a couple pedos, a few rapists, and more than likely some dudes who are into some really kinky shit.
it’s always the case, always. whenever there are groups like this pushing their agenda they’re secretly trying to justify themselves.
Apparently they already got caught defending a pedo staffer
https://www.collectiveshout.org/ is the group.
https://www.collectiveshout.org/our_team and https://www.collectiveshout.org/collective_shout_board_members - Ensure their names and faces haunt them for every job they go for next.
https://www.collectiveshout.org/partners - Let them know your unhappy with this group that they are supporting.
“Our (winning!) campaign calling on payment processors including Visa and Mastercard to stop processing payments for rape and incest games available on Steam and other platforms has received global media attention.”
Well that is not what I was expecting to find on their site…
Did no one play “Detroit Become Incestual Rapist”?
Nah I was too busy with “epstein island adventure: the trump files”
It seems like politics is more likely to turn someone into a rapist than video games will.
Well when you write policy anything is possible.
Something about the ability to control leads the possibility of abuse.
“Campaign Against Sex Robots”
They have sex robots down there?
Lowkey opening up a market for an adult game store that takes crypto for payment
I don’t know why you couldn’t just load money into your steam wallet.
They weren’t pushing for credit card processors to block payments for specific games. They were pushing for the payment processors to block money to Steam entirely, which is why Steam caved and instead removed a small list of games. It was a compromise to allow credit card companies to keep doing business with them. Overall it’s pretty small potatoes–a small but vocal group, a small and worthless collection of games. People are understandably worried about the precedent of giving in to censorship at the demand of a group like this, but there are enough things to worry about right now that I’m not going to give it much thought until I hear the slope has slipped further than this.
