1D and 2D are just mathematical abstractions. Everything is just 3D and that’s it. There is no time, just space with a state.
(I tried to explain better in comments so please check that. I would be glad if someone could give me a response to this brain fuck I’m having)
We have no evidence of a 1 or 2 dimensional universe existing, just like we have no evidence of a 4 dimensional universe existing. That might be because they don’t exist, or it might be because we can’t look into other universes.
If time is a dimension or not, that depends more on what you think the word “dimension” means than on what time itself is.
Electrons would like to have a word.
Quarks would like to have a word.
Gravity is standing in line.
Just like every “2D” object has thickness, every “3D” object has a temporal duration. Without duration, it wouldn’t exist.
So everything is at least 4D, 3D doesn’t exist.
Take my fcking upvote, sir.
1D and 2D are just mathematical abstractions.
So are all dimensions. The number of dimensions is just an attribute of a vector space, and vector spaces are just models we humans define to describe natural phenomenona. You can claim that some of these models are more useful than others. But at no point does it make sense to claim that a model “exists” or not. There would be no meaning to such a statement, it would contain no information. Not wrong, just nonsensical.
Yes, they are only abstractions, just like numbers are. I do not understand your conclusion that they therefore do not exist.
I still upvoted this, because I can see where you are coming from. It’s frustrating when adults portray thin flat objects as “2D objects” to explain dimensions to children. It’s not a simplification; it’s simply wrong.
A “dimension” is just something that can be measured. Imagine you have a square of paper and it has 5 coins on it. It has a width, a height, a thickness, a coin count. That’s 4 dimensions already. It also has zero elephants on it, now we have 5 dimensions!
The trick is to only consider the “dimensions” you’re actually interested in.
But… You can perceive 2D things. Like this text. Or a drawing.
This text or drawing is not really 2D. Down at the atomic/molecular level they are still 3D particles. We are just abstracting it as 2D.
The text on your screen doesn’t exist as molecules. The text exists as the light travelling between your screen and your eyeballs.
The length light has to travel to reach your eyes is three dimensionak, but the actual shape of the text is still two dimensional.
Then there is the light itself, which has wave-particle duality; a light particle has no discernable border, and can be described as a one dimensional point in space, with a two-dimensional wave function.
1D and 2D are just mathematical abstractions.
Your confusion is you expect 1d and 2d universes to exist within ours, when the reality is they are separate universes.
It’s not like one is built on top of the other, they most likely exist separately and incompatibly.
We currently only see models of it in our universe, just like anyone from a higher order universe would only be able to see models of ours.
It would take insane levels of technology for them to even briefly appear here, and the only reason that would be worth it is if we’re essentially a “warp” zone for them where moving a short distance here would translate to a huge distance back home, at faster to whatever their equivalent of a speed of light is.
Ah that’s interesting. I didn’t think of them as separate universes.
My point still holds though. I mean, we call 3D as 3D because of 1D and 2D. Since they don’t exist in our reality (but of course they are mathematically useful). One could still argue that since it cannot(has not) be perceived since it is theoretical a.t.m, it’s not real.
May be this is some form of nihilistic thought too 🙂
I mean, we call 3D as 3D because of 1D and 2D.
No, we call it 3d because there are three physical dimensions we move thru: front/back, side to side, up and down.
We experience time linearly, so it’s not included. However time behaving like the three other dimensions isn’t precluded by a single law in physics. Literally everything works backwards just as fine as forwards, except consciousness. We need the cause/effect of linear time to be conscious.
Since they don’t exist in our reality
Think of it like fireworks. There can be multiple in your field of view at once.
Each firework is a universe, with its own unique laws of physics and number of physical dimensions. Multiple are still “real” at the same time, even if they’re incredibly unlikely to interact.
I mean, one of the leading theories on how a universe forms is there’s giant “planes” randomly bumping into each other. On that scale not only are multiple universes “real” we’re all completely inconsequential and incredibly fleeting. Not just as individuals, species or even planets. Entire universes don’t matter.
If you’re interested there’s a lot to learn about with all that stuff, but it honestly doesn’t really matter.
with its own unique laws of physics
I never thought of it like that. I thought laws of physics as laws of everything. Nice thought. Thanks for response.
Personally, and take this with a grain of salt, I feel like you’re overthinking it. Everything at some level is just an abstraction of something else. So what. Dimensional exist whether you acknowledge them or not. 🤷♂️
Pssshhhhh! I’m in the 39th dimension. Thats the one where colors start having tastes! And fingernails scream as you violently pull them out with pliers.
This guy must be from Ohio.
I believe you
I need to get you to sit down for a philosophical discourse with the Time Cube guy.
We live in the third dimension but that doesn’t mean no other dimensions exist. And there is time, this is very basic scientific knowledge. There are many things that prove that time itself is a thing, but it isn’t a dimension in the same way that spacial dimensions are.
This whole posts is some “I’m 14 and this is deep” level idiocy. You clearly have very little scientific knowledge, you’re dumb enough to not understand that, dumb enough to think that something you just thought of without any research is valid and also dumb enough to think sharing that online is a good idea.
dumb enough to think that something you just thought of without any research is valid and also dumb enough to think sharing that online is a good idea.
Do you know what community you’re posting in?
You can disagree with someone without being an ass, this was uncalled for.
I gave you the downvote because I once attended a public lecture by Stephen Hawking, near the very end of his lifetime. It had to be one of the few, very last, public lectures that Dr. Hawking had in him. And the topic of that lecture was the nature of time, and how all of the equations of motion are fully reversible, etc, etc etc.
Out of all of the topics Dr. Hawking could have discussed, that one is the one he chose. And to me, that means that the nature of time was interesting enough to him to spread around to the public. That there are live issues that are not well settled. And so on.
Since that time, I’ve not seen any major developments in theoretical physics or philosophy to shift the status quo to an appreciable degree.
This leads me to the final judgement on your comment: You are wrong. There are live issues to discuss here, and OP deserves to further explain, defend, and debate their philosophy.
Ok. Hear me out.
We draw a line on a sheet of paper. That line only has x and y dimensions mathematically.
BUT
That line is a thin layer of ink. It is on a paper which has a width (however small it be). To explain 2 dimensions we abstracted the whole thing as 2D when in fact it is 3D.
There are no dimensions, there are just mathematical abstractions which helps us think. But there is no proof of a physical object in 1D or 2D.
I edited my comment before seeing your reply. That edit works as an answer to your reply. You should learn to know when you have nothing of value to say about something. I don’t make posts about football because I know that I have less than basic knowledge about it (and also don’t wish to have more) for example, the same goes for you here.
Well it’s a public forum, one specifically for thought experiment that too. I’m not trying to claim anything. I’d be happy to be proved wrong too.
Your response is basically “I don’t have an answer for you but sushh”. I don’t have anything else for you pal, may be try to approach things a little open minded and less condescending.
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