WHY. GODDAMN WHY is it lately that any organization behind products i like turn out to be extreme assholes? we’re on a streak atm i feel like
capitalism and the profit motive, probably.
I’ve always been an outspoken skeptic of FUTO (check post history) and their bizarre campaign against free software, but I didn’t know they were this bad. Yikes
Somehow all Video recommandations in GrayJay are from (extreme) right wing channels.
I’ll take a look at the interviews later tonight.
A few minor items stuck out as a bit disingenuous to me:
The donation page that FUTO used includes this explanation: “This offer is for individuals, and may be available to small organizations on request. Commercial entities wishing to be listed as sponsors should inquire by email.” It’s pretty clear that there are special instructions for institutional donors who wish to receive musl’s endorsement as thanks for their contribution.
It DOES say that, but literally only for the "monthly contribution > 150 section. For a one time grant of 1000 dollars, it doesn’t appear to say anything.
FUTO appears to list efforts it has donated to (and use their name/logo), under the title, “Our sponsored grant programs”. Which to me seems more of a semantic argument of whether they can say they’ve donated to something or not.
The inclusion of a logo without permission is a good critique, nonetheless. Likewise, if they are lying about donating to some of these projects, that is a problem.
- The author makes a point of complaining about a video posted to odysee. There are not many great options for posting videos outside of Youtube. That FUTO would post videos to multiple other youtube alternatives, including odysee and peertube does not seem like a surprise to me. Not saying anything about the video though, until I’ve sat and watched.
Yarvin has proclaimed that black people are genetically predisposed to a lower IQ than white people
The second part of that is true, because the IQ test is unreliable. That’s why its banned in California schools for POC
That statement only has one part. Could you clarify what you mean here? I’m not sure I understand.
The first part says people with more melanin in their skin are inferior. This is false.
The second part says people with more melanin in their skin score lower on IQ tests. This is true (because IQ tests are terrible, and its creator said so too)
I think it’s that the statement in question was proclaimed is the “first part”. Or maybe the genetic predisposition is. Unclear.
Son of a BITCH! I’m so fucking tired of this… Everywhere you look you gotta examine EVERYTHING about a company/group because they might be fascists now…I love Grayjay, it was working so great and I loved the proclaimed mission…I was even trying to get FCast to work since I lost casting ability when I moved to Linux…
I’m just gonna take a break over here for a bit.
Sorry but this person is treating grapheneos’ attacks on other groups as legitimate which throws the entire article into question. If they are happy to provide a platform for graphene’s founder’s paranoid conspiracies I can’t trust the content.
Seems clear there’s some questionable shit going on, but the only evidence presented is two YouTube videos which isn’t actually a lot. I wouldn’t be surprised based on this to hear there are deeper links, but this article is written by someone who thinks tweets and YouTube comments are evidence.
grapheneos’ attacks on other groups
Where Attack? The worst Graphene ever did was say that they don’t support certain Phones like FP because they are not updating their OS to their liking
Are you gonna go to Qubes OS next and complain that they are attacking laptop manufacturers (don’t officially support Laptops because they don’t have an open source UEFI)?
They also had a culture of accusing anyone who complained about issues or asked questions about why things were done a certain way of being a shill for Calyx, and of there being a coordinated effort by Calyx and others to discredit them. I’m a GOS user, but the lead developer is without a doubt pretty paranoid at least.
Regardless, these accusations against FUTO are pretty concerning.
I’ve been forced into graphene due to calyx’ abandonment (and piss poor communication – “oh we didn’t realize people don’t regularly check our website in case the entire organization collapses overnight”) of it’s users this year, sadly. There just isn’t an alternative afaik.
On the graphene front I’ve personally been banned from their matrix chat on several accounts, none of which I actually used to post in their chat – they did a blanket ban of anyone in the calyxos channel. Not posted there, not posted in graphene, not having actually done anything, they blanket banned (he now denies this ever happened). Which honestly given how many times I went on to see him uncontrollably ranting at people was probably for the best. He and his most ardent supporters are a brigade of trolls.
Wow you’re very uninformed. May want to read up first.
Giving tens of thousands of dollars to great orgs that have real free software licenses and ask for nothing in return? I’m glad we have futo.
Yeah I don’t understand why everyone is gate keeping open source all the sudden, there is a line to be drawn between openly changeable and open to being understood, the understanding part is all I want from things because then I can tell if its actually bad or not and that is the part we mostly care about.
Its ok to not like futo because you don’t agree with some of their peoples politics but that’s an entirely different thing.
Aw man I knew there was something wrong here. I gave them money for the keyboard and the voice talk and immich bcz I was a Rossman fan. They played him and me. Fuck these fascists.
Ugh, now I feel gross. Time to find a new YouTube app.
FUTO is more or less openly fascists
How so? I’m not doubting, I just didn’t see any of that evidence in the article.
Have you read the same article?
The founder hosted a debate with an open fascist then gave him a platform on the FUTO YouTube channel.Do words mean anything anymore? That is an argument for them being fascists. But how are they “openly” fascist? Where is their statement, where they openly state “we are fascists”?
Because they might be, but I don’t think they ever openly said so.
Yeah, because thieves go around making public statements of “we are thieves!”
In 2025 they do
Exactly my point, and yet the commenter claims FUTO do that, even though they obviously aren’t, because who would.
But if your roommate says he isn’t a thief, however he always hangs around with the local gang and continuously brings used stuff that he has no way of legally acquiring since he doesn’t even have a job. I don’t know man, you have to start asking questions.
Mike is not a nazi, he just goes to the nazi bar because he likes the beer.
says he isn’t a thief
Well that’s the entire issue, isn’t it? If he says he isn’t a thief, then he’s a thief who clearly isn’t open about it. Just like Mike isn’t openly a nazi, he’s just a nazi who’s lying about not being one.
I think that’s a pretty extreme bar, but I agree 2 YouTube discussions doesn’t make a fascist. At worst it makes a Gavin newsom or Joe Rogan.
I had no idea. Now I have to find a new keyboard…
Heliboard
I read that as “Hellboard” which sounds like an awesome mashup between Tony Hawk Pro Skater, and Brutal Legend
They’re openly disdainful of all things Open Source and OSI, and their software is not Open Source.
They’re a fully for-profit company using consumer rights kind of rhetoric to manipulate people in service to FUTO’s own pocketbook. Don’t fall for their use of the
.orgtld or promises to “never abuse customers”.I’ve written many times about what assholes FUTO is. I’m fully convinced they’re way more part of the problem than part of the solution and they’re not to be trusted.
They’ve soured me on Rossman. Back when he was doing coverage of things like the court cases around right to repair and tractors and stuff, I watched a few videos of his and thought he was awesome. And then he got involved with FUTO and started billing Grayjay as “Open Source” and I’ve gotten sufficiently disillusioned with FUTO that I haven’t followed Rossman at all. I’ve got coworkers changing their avatars to Clippy and shit, and I believe their hearts are in the right place, but I can’t in good conscience really get behind anything or anyone associated with FUTO.
Edit: Oh. I honesty didn’t even see this OP was a link to an article. Lol. Now I’m very interested to go read that article.
Edit 2: Shite. I’ve now read the article. I knew FUTO was assholes in a lot of different ways, but now I know how deeply, completely irredeemable they really are.
Gross. Fuck FUTO.
Why does every mobile keyboard developer have some controversial shit? I just want to text in peace.
quite a bunch of stem computer people are also fascists.
May I recommend Thumbkey its awesome and a bit different from other keyboards. Its concept is interesting ✨
It looks neat but what an absolutely stupid take from a keyboard author
Because it trusts you to write what you meant to write.
Butch if I didn’t let it correct me I’d have to actually mook st the keyboard and who the fuck wants to do thatm.
Phones are tiny and humans are clumsy. I absolutely never mean what I type, as you can see above.
For the sadist in you there’s always https://f-droid.org/packages/se.nullable.flickboard
Anything on HeliBoard too?
heliboard seems cool so far
The only thing I dislike of heliboard is their swipe function requires Google binaries. Most FOSS keyboards either lack some feature I use or are immersed in wild controversies.
And the implementation is nowhere as good as gboard.
Futo’s keyboard isn’t much better for slide to type. I find myself switching keyboards back to gboard when I’m not using voice to text or two thumbs.
I mean, I can’t complain about HeliBoard’s swiping feature, especially considering the alternatives.
Does FlorisBoard have controversial shit too?
No, but they are forever beta. They still lack a ton of features I use.
True
fossify keyboard? extremely basic, but works
Just use Gboard and block any google telemetry
Blocking internet access doesn’t magically turn proprietary software into free software.
I know both are kinda terrible but isn’t a facist-developed GPL software better than Google software
Good luck with that on anything that has a locked boot loader or stock OS.
rethinkdns works perfectly for me
Just use wireguard and block all connections that aren’t going over VPN. Ezpz
Also if you’re on a stock device then you’re already feeding them plenty of data
Using a VPN does absolutely nothing to protect from their apps scraping up and phoning home telemetry.
It’s still YOUR phone. It’s still YOUR GPS location. It’s still YOUR data connection. A VPN is not a catch-all solution to privacy.
VPN to your box somewhere else with proper filtering.
I figured that was obvious
That’s literally not how VPNs work nor are you aware of what you’re talking about.
You literally don’t know what you are talking about.
You’re like a computer novice that is only aware of commercialized VPN products thinking you know what you’re talking about but unaware that the commercialized products are open source things that anyone can run, and you’re only paying for the company to run them on their boxes.
What
