Whenever something bad happens to France, I remember how they managed to fuck up Haiti after they got their independence, then I stop feeling any sympathy for the french
The french nowadays don’t have anything in common with the french from the past, except… you know… speaking french.
There are conservative French and there are Leftist French. Not everyone is responsible. Today, there are much worse people than the French to be mad about.
with your bare hands
Belgium took care of that one preemptively.
You’re being flippant and know better, but I think it’s important to state the obvious and add some nuance. Not to defend the Belgians, but to emphasize the central role capitalism played in the death of up to 15 million people, and how corporate-colonialism never really ended.
Arguably, the worst atrocities in Congo occured when it was the private property of king Leopold, who granted vast concessions to private companies with international investors. For example: the Anglo-Belgian India Rubber Company. They declared bankrupcy in Belgium, and refounded themselves as Abir Company in the Congo Free State, so they could avoid paying tax and avoid Belgian regulation. A corporation moving production/extraction/exploitation abroad, relocating their headquarters to a third country, so they can avoid tax and regulation…
The DRC officially became independent of Belgium in 1960, but colonial corporate rule and influence never truly ended. King Leopold founded Compagnie du Katanga, Compagnie du Katanga became Union Minière du Haut-Katanga, Union Minière du Haut-Katanga became Umicore. Umicore is very active in Congo to this day. A few years ago Elon Musk signed a deal with them to help supply Congolese cobalt for Tesla cars.
The soon to be trillionaire fascist son of a man who owned an emerald mine in a former British colony, runs a company that produces cars that include cobalt mined by a company that helped kill 15 million people in the Congo Free State.
People prefer to look the other way, then act surprised when the chickens come home to roost.
That was good and dark 👏
The real quote is almost better
Pretty much the same message, really.
Still a great day to remember Henry Kissinger is dead.
We better check the Kissinger is dead. Don’t want to worry about Kissinger being a lich.
Oh thank you for the smile! Might actually look up his current resident/public bathroom. Him and Cheney needs some fertilization.
My indigenous ass watching the lefty priveledged white kids calling other white kids colonizers.
Funniest one was the white woman who was debating that my male privilege is larger than my native blood so fuck me along with all the white men. I have white ladies telling my tan ass that I have privilege over them.
I mean, in some ways, but they can still have you pantone-murdered by the nearest state enforcer at will.
Women who moan about that shit are just sexists. Plain and simple.
Male privilege isnt a real thing. Its just rich guys that we all carry the can for. In the real world, we are just as put upon as any other. When complain about social pressures and stigmas, meanwhile men complain about being force to go to war. All the countries below force men to war. To fight, to die. And you just know that if any other countries found themselves in war, theyd be pulling men in with a hover. And in the case of Switzerland, that country had a referendum on forced conscription. And women, a lot of women, voted to keep it even though it didnt affect them.
Switzerland
Austria
Greece
Turkey
Cyprus
Finland
Denmark
Israel* (men and women serve, but women have exemptions and escape routes men don’t have, so some classify this as quasi male-only)
Egypt
Iran
Syria
Jordan (inactive but law exists)
Algeria
Tunisia
Morocco (reinstated in 2018)
South Korea
North Korea
Singapore
Taiwan
Thailand
Mongolia
Uzbekistan
Turkmenistan
Myanmar
Vietnam (rarely enforced on women)
Angola
Mozambique
Eritrea (both genders technically, but female service is inconsistently applied; often considered male-dominant)
Brazil
Colombia
Bolivia
Paraguay
Chile (law applies to both, but in practice conscription is overwhelmingly male)
Yo loser (and the losers who upvoted), male privilege doesn’t mean all men have easy lives (they don’t), it means they don’t face systemic disadvantages simply due to being men, while women have to face those disadvantages simply due to being women.
Conscription doesn’t magically erase pay gaps, rates of violence, hiring and promotion discrimination, political under representation, domestic labor imbalance, femicides, etc. Sure, some men might be conscripted for a year, and it sucks, but women deal with this shit every single day of their lives.
Now on to the “women voted for it” argument… ignoring the fact that all women can only vote in Switzerland since 1990 so it might not be the best country for your example, pray tell who created and maintains the draft on an institutional level? That shit was built, ran, maintained for generations by men in male-dominated governments, militaries, cultures. But because women voted in one recent referendum it’s their fault? Historical amnesia or incel redditor type comment, choose one (it’s the latter, we know what you are).
Your point hangs on to a Wikipedia list of some men oppressing some other men in 20-30 countries (it’s men running conscription: the patriarchy affects men too dingbat), while sexism is daily in every single country in the world. And let’s be clear, rich men aren’t the only beneficiaries of male privilege, it’s also simple things like not being dismissed as emotional, not being talked over, not being judged for your body count, not fearing sexual assault on your walk back home, you don’t need to be rich to benefit from those.
Back to conflicts and wars. Take a guess who the #1 victims of the long term effects of war are, here’s an academic source. To give a recent example, 70% of the dead in Gaza are women and children. And as for the ones who survive… you can probably guess what happens to women during war times and post-war reconstruction efforts, dying on the frontlines might actually be a better fate. You can see it in Ukraine already, women are losing their rights and ability to work, and it’ll only get worse as the war keeps going (and orders of magnitudes worse if they lose the war).
Very good & nuanced take!
Yo loser (and the losers who upvoted), male privilege doesn’t mean all men have easy lives
Yo, cunty chops. You might want to take that up with all the people who claim that we are, and do, benefit every day in every way.
The issue of women voting on it, was about the fact that women can and do vote on things that only affect men. I would have thought that was clear? One of half of the country saying that they other had to go and die… And fuck you, for saying “well women couldnt vote there until 1990, hurr durr!”. So that means that its ok for them to have a say whether men do or do not die?
As for men being the issue for other men, no one said it wasnt, fuck face. The point, you dumb fucking prick, is that men do not have it easy, like so many perpetually online morons make out. Everyone has issues. Saying one group has it better is bigotry. Its the same dog shit that has dumb fucking cunts like you claiming that immigrants are stealing all the jobs and raping all the kids. Its wrong, its dumb, and fuck you people for always trying to make complicated issues down to sex, sexual orientation or race. Only a spoon eating cunt does that… And oh look, here you are. Slabbering bullshit through broken teeth and piss poor insults. Get fucked.
When you walk into a room and women put their hands over their drinks, know that it is because you’re unable to address men’s issues without minimizing women’s issues.
It’s not that the points you’re making are fundamentally wrong, but we can see the hate when you speak your heart.
Act like an incel, get treated like one.
This is you:
Know, that when that doesnt happen, its because youre perpetually online. And what you see is a direct result of what happens when you constantly tell men they arent worth bothering about, or that they have some special gang that lets do whatever they want.
But just you keep on minimizing mens lived experiences… Im sure that wont come back to bite you on the ass at any point. Fucking sexist piece of shit.
privilege is complicated on many axes and always unjust fucked up bullshit we should take care to not hold over one another
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i don’t have any privilege because I’m also marginalized on this other axis!
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You seem pretty well informed, but you gotta realize male privilege is absolutely a real thing. I say this as someone that currently benefits from it.
walking alone at night is nice
I think I give off some female energy cause I’ve been asked to escort by random women. Just glad I can help honestly.
They youre a fucking idiot. Whatever benefits you have or dont have, are due to circumstance. If I cut your dick off, do you all of sudden lose all your “privilege”? Its a shitty buzzword used to make other people feel like shit, and to shitty people off for their shitty actions. Like all the women screaming about white male privilege, like they werent standing right fucking next to us for hundreds of years.
Privilege is not a binary concept. You can be privileged in one regard and under-privileged in another, also known as intersectionality.
You can be a straight white male and still be under-privileged as a person born to poor socioeconomic conditions, work in an underpaid job, have a disability, couldn’t afford higher education, be secular, and so on.
Being privileged in one regard doesn’t erase your under-privileged circumstances in another. Women are simply asking for men to acknowledge that there are circumstances made more difficult in life by virtue of being a woman.
A great example is how women typical receive poorer outcomes in modern medicine because of how their symptoms are downplayed and dismissed, but are acknowledged when they happen to men. Your statistical probability of getting better healthcare for being a man, doesn’t negate your statistical probability of getting worse healthcare due to other forms of systemic discrimination like those against poorer patients or chronically ill patients.
Its almost like, we should shit on anyone for having more than we do because being rich in one area, doesnt mean you are in all areas… But the people who talk about “privilege”, are making sweeping statements about the group. Im a man, so therefore I can possibly having any problems. “Wont someone think of the poor straight white man?” is something commonly said about the perpetually online.
When I was a boy, a girl asked me out. I said no, cos I knew she was crazy. To get back at me, she told her friends that I raped her. My “privilege” got me kicked out of school, arrested, beaten up, and eventually stabbed. We talk about no one believing women, but thats bullshit. Men are ALWAYS automatically assumed to be the asshole. But because rich assholes, got away with so much abuse, all of a sudden its “all men” and if you dare say “its not all men”, all of sudden that too is problem.
But the biggest problem? That rape that didnt happen, thats counted as one of the “not convicted” rape statistics. The fact that I wasnt cleared, because how do you prove a negative? Still counts as a rape, even though it didnt happen. Even though I was convicted. I am still part of the state that men get away with rape, because the system hates women. I am considered a rapist, because some girl who couldnt take a rejection on the chin. And yet, apparently the only thing men have to worry about is being embarrassed. Ill remind you again, I was routinly beaten up, and eventually stabbed on the say so of one mixed up teenage girl. THAT is what its like to be a man. Once you get that finger pointed at you, youre fucked. But because rich men can buy their way out of it, all of sudden, we are all scum who get away with it.
People are just people. Men, women, gay, straight, black white, tall, short, fat, thin. All of us have things in the plus an minus column. Calling it “privilege” is an internet buzzword used to attack people. Thats its only function. Just like every other well worn internet buzzword. Boomer or millennial, like the year you were born has any baring on your personality. Honestly, fuck the internet for it its turned so many people into. We spend all our time now, looking for how much a victim we can make ourselves out to be by making others look like cunts. We dont raise ourselves up, we tear others down. And its not even about feeling better about where we are in life, its just about worthless internet points. Likes, shares, subscribes, all while spouting popular things. Its just all so… pathetic.
Why were you not this verbose when insulting me?
Being male doesn’t end at my private parts. If you cut off my dick, I’m still a guy and still have some level of advantage simply because I’m male. I hope you find some level of comfort in this life, cause you seem abnormally angry.
I love how your able to make such blanket statements made on one simple comment.
What I hope you do, is pull your head out of arse, and stop playing the game of being perpetually online and chatting utter shit for culture war points.
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All the love to you homie. Please find some peace.
Ill find it tonight, while fucking your mum.
Men like Bordain die because we let men like Kissinger live.
Folks like this are all over America, unfortunately. Hell, some of the fiercest and most vocal colonial defenders are the select handful of refugees permitted to migrate to the US and join in the looting.
That last sentence hits hard. Being from South Florida and seeing Cubans pull up the ladder behind them was kinda painful.
It never ceases to amaze me how many people operate entirely on a “I got mine, fuck you, freeloader” mentality
Seriously. I got lucky being born provided, but will try and help anyone who needs it, including with my vote.
The rat the turncoat the snitch. All have a certain fervor to them.
Part of Columbus being raised to the level he was is because of the persecution of Italian immigrants in the USA.
Some might say Columbus was a DEI hire (similar to confederate statues)
Columbus Day sounds pretty woke.
A DEI holiday, woke as shit.
We should instead have a holiday for the true born sons of America…. Call it … say … indigenous peoples day.
Learning about the Dutch’s atrocities in Africa makes me feel slightly better about my country’s history.
Define “coloniser.”
Like the thagomizer but for the colon.
Lol, spikey tail in my butt is the meaning of life.
this is why i hate when people throw the “colonizer” insult around like a frisbee….
it takes away from the horrors of what they’ve done, and disrespects their victims.
it’s like if someone scuffs your shoe and you call them an SS guard at Auschwitz.
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also, fuck Belgium in the neck with a knife.this is why i hate when people throw the “colonizer” insult around like a frisbee….
Do you have an example of this?
just hit the search on Lemmy, type in “colonizer” and limit it to comments
here’s one: https://lemm.ee/comment/8151410
in this example, being insensitive to racial slurs is terrible, but not as bad as invading and occupying a region, enslaving the native population, and cutting off body parts of their children if they don’t meet their work quota gathering chocolate beans for the day….
in this case explaining what they say they don’t understand is probably better than saying “ok colonizer”
It’s definitely reactionary but also understandable since most people that were beneficiaries of colonial exploitation supported the enterprise despite the human cost.
It’s an odd one to use today no doubt but we live in a world where those of European ancestary have held certain advantages due to the legacy of that system. It would be genuinely remiss in a truly post racial society but, since we’re not there, I see where it comes from.
that’s not what reactionary means… reactionary comes from the French revolution and referred to people who wanted to preserve or later restore the monarchy. Now it’s pretty much anyone anti-progress or anti-revolution… or anti-communist to the communists.
“make america great again” is an extremely reactionary slogan, for example.
when i first heard it i thought it was more like “over reactive” too.
i see where it comes from too but it’s, well it just bugs me. it’s a mostly online thing, though…Didn’t know it had a specific political tilt. Thanks for that.
One reason why Columbus was so awful and wanting to take every scrap of precious metal was because he was in debt up to his eyeballs for his little adventure, including with some folks of the leg breaking kind, and knew he had to pay it back when he returned.
Fuck yeah, get those Arabs out of Africa.
EDIT: Sorry. Wrong colonisers I guess.
Yeah, man, those Egyptians who lived in the Nile Valley for millennia should fuck off. Imagine speaking Arabic amirite? Or Sudanese, I’m sure all those black Africans are actually from the Arabian Peninsula.
PS: Please learn history before you say dumb shit.
Maybe in Egypt there were Arabs among (and interbreeding with) the local Copts and Nubians for much longer, but the Arab Caliphates were foreign occupiers across North Africa after the Romans and before the French/British. I know the Amazigh/Berbers were not too enthusiastic about their presence.
True enough, but even with that context the parent comment doesn’t make sense. Which Arabs are they calling for to be expelled from Africa?
Well, I know more about Morocco than the rest of North Africa, and I can tell you that the Berber language & culture were actively repressed and Berbers were excluded from various aspects of public life there through the 20th century, even after Morocco’s independence from France. Berbers still have a lower socioeconomic status and a lack of political representation. Moroccans are fairly mixed, racially speaking, so it’s a less extreme version of the racialized class divide you see in the US, Canada, Israel, Australia, South Africa, etc.
Really I’d take the original comment as a joke, but taking it seriously you have to consider that this is a story that happens over and over again in our history, and really the only thing that heals these wounds is just centuries and centuries of time. Should we go all “land back” for the Amazigh? I dunno. I’m just a dumb American.
TIL about Arab migration to the Maghreb. That does seem like it warrants some decolonization, at least to my uninformed eyes. I’m more familiar with Egypt and the Levant, which were a lot less affected by such actions, hence my response.
