I think what’s difficult to grasp is how easy they kidnapped Maduro. If it’s as easy as a few months of training, simulation and intelligence and then just do it, how is it possible that none of the other much worse world leaders have not had this happen to them until now? Has this ever even happened in recent history?
You’re telling me the US had the capability to eliminate any of the worst ones in much more problematic countries and chose not to because there was no oil in it for them? That’s a grim thought.
Oftentimes the thing that keeps the USA in check from becoming the mafia Don of the world is knowledge that violations of international law enforces individual countries fixing their own problems and self determining their own governments. America acting like they can make decisions for other nations has always been internationally unwelcome. Breaching international law means consequences usually. People pull out of alliances, sweetheart deals evaporate, diplomatic power becomes strained and people stop sharing intelligence with you that helps keep your citizens safe. Sovereignty is a big deal. America has gotten away with a lot because they have a gun to the heads of the world due to how they ended WWII with their military complex intact while the rest of the world was spent. They leveraged that into hard (millitary/economic) and soft (diplomatic, collaborative, good faith) power.
Thing is, this regime doesn’t value soft power at all. Previous administrations had to use a lot of subterfuge to weave deniabillity into their actions. The rest of the world had to step lightly around America because essentially they had the biggest stick but there was this idea that if you courted favour with the bully that at least meant you and your friends were safe. But look at what’s happening right now.
America is pulling out of the international markets and international bodies of government. The message is clear that they are operating on hard power only because they believe themselves powerful enough to operate on their own and grab what they want… Even if that means economic sanctions that raise prices of nessesities, travel restrictions for citizens, intelligence gaps that leave targets open to their enemies or actual war that puts American lives at risk.
They are “solving these problems” right now because they don’t care about the safety or economic advantages for their citizens. They want to grab power that they can dissolve amongst their friends even if it means sacrifices and violence. Natural resource power isn’t usually extracted by governments. You sell contracts which they can turn into soft power amongst wealthy sycophants.
You forgot the part where they bribed some Venezuelan defense officials to stand down. Everyone saw this regime change coming, they just didn’t expect the US to get directly involved.
That entire Chinook formation could have been shredded by a single infantry group equipped with some cheap stingers (or equivalents).
Some of the local reporters even claimed that Maduro’s own security convinced him to leave by helicopter, where Delta was already waiting for him.
They key note here is that Maduro was not well enough supported within his own circle. If you want a recent example, they could have done the same thing to Assad since he fled without even notifying the CO of his army.
Countries like Russia and NK have a complicated internal political structure that revolves around the leader ensuring he can never be couped. The US wouldn’t be able to just buy them off to create such a situation.
It’s not a regime change. Venezuela still has the same regime, just with a different president. People are terrified because the government seems to be out for revenge.
I didn’t actually catch the info that they managed to bribe officials to stand down so this is a pretty satisfying answer to my question. Thanks!
Because both of those countries have nukes and real militaries that could conceivably put up a serious fight against several CVN battle groups, whereas what the orangeboi regime did in Venezuela was basically a showy example of overkill. Putting aside how deeply fucking stupid and illegal the whole thing was, the mission probably could have been fully accomplished with a small surface action group centered around an LHD, plus an SSGN. The Ford being sent there was really just not necessary, especially considering the other airfields the USN and USAF have in the vicinity.
Was watching bombs exploding in Venezuela while the helicopters flew in, basically live, with my girlfriend. And she’s like, “Holy Shit we’re invading Venezuela!” And I just told her, “…nah, whatever we’re doing isn’t that serious.”
She asked how I knew and I told her “look at the lights in the city. They’re still on. And these videos are being uploaded over the Internet. And there are explosions but relatively few. That’s not how the US does war. If we were invading we’d have hit energy infrastructure and telecommunications first, and all at once. So this is probably just us taking out anti-air batteries and maybe a few military assets. So it’s something else.”
(Please don’t interpret this as minimizing how ridiculously illegal or pointless this was, because it’s definitely both. It was just my reaction at the time.)
communications were cut though, all those big tech companies did a temporary blackout.
They kidnapped the prez of a country with a tiny military, that’s the whole reason
NK and Russia have a huge military
Nukes.
If you don’t got nukes, you get Gaddafied
Gaddafi was working on getting nukes, but then actually complied with pressure to disarm. What did he get as a reward for compliance?
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We ended up backstabbing him and helped overthrow his government, which ultimately lead to him being raped in the ass with a bayonet.
russia has tons of oil, but putin is pretty paranoid so its probably harder to capture him. and besides he politically financing all the gop, some of the OLD guard DINOs as well, plus providing propaganda to all MSMs and social media. they arnt going to bite the hands that feed them.
for NK, china is protecting the kim and the govt, and practically propping up thier economy.
how easy they kidnapped Maduro
they made it look like they woke up one day and just decided to take venezuela, when in reality they’ve probably been planning the op for months. bombing the “drug” boats was just a test run for international response. of course people wagged their fingers, but nothing beyond that. so US moved forward with invading the country, and guess what–more finger wagging
you can expect an upcoming deluge of rhetoric about how “greenland citizens WANT to be ‘liberated’!!! we need to go FREE them from oppressive denmark!!!” the fact that it’s guaranteed people will still be surprised when they invade greenland is the reason i have no hope for the future of this country
The CIA first dropped a team into Venezuela in August, got an informant close to Maduro, and spec ops forces created a replica of the building Maduro would be in, which they drilled in repeatedly. So yes, months of preparation.
I’m not doubting you in the least based on how successful this was but would be highly interested in reading a source for that
They did the same for Bin Laden.
A lot of what Trump does is out of jealousy of Obama. That’s probably why he wanted that Nobel Peace Prize as well.
Wouldn’t they need to kidnap the King of Denmark for that?
Kidnapseize or capture, please.
-BBCNo. Just massively increaze military presence there. All europe will do is write letters
The past week (months, years…) have taught me to not to believe anyone saying the US government “can’t”. It certainly can. It just doesn’t.
Edit: the next Democratic president should build high-speed rail that cuts through and ruins Republican-heavy residential areas. Don’t go through permitting or whatever, just start ripping up the roads. They can go cry about it in the comment section. There will be no other consequences.
Since you asked and I haven’t seen anyone else answer, the most recent parallel to the Maduro situation is the 1990 capture of Manuel Noriega, the military leader of Panama. All around, it was a pretty similar situation. Just like Maduro, Noriega was accused of using Panama as a drug shipping hub and of being a dictator by the US. Relations deteriorated until in late 1989, Panama declared they were “at a state of war” with the US, prompting George H W Bush to launch a ground invasion into Panama with one of the goals being the capture of Noriega, which was achieved within a few weeks in early 1990. He was then flown to the US to face a trial over his drug charges and was held in prison until 2010, though he was then extradited to France and later Panama, where he spent his final 6 years in prison.
Like Maduro, while the capture was ostensibly over drug trafficking concerns, it was largely to further US interests in Panama and Central America as a whole. Namely, it was to gain outsized control over the running of the Panama Canal for the US and grant them special perks such as reduced costs to send goods through, something that saved US companies billions every year. Additionally, it allowed as many as 14 military bases to be established in the area.
Here’s a really fantastic and very thorough comparison between the two that goes into much more detail. https://brendonbeebe.substack.com/p/comparison-of-us-capture-of-nicolas
Crazy. Thanks, I couldn’t find similar cases when I looked. Considering all the other coups the US has done, this is just a time honored tradition for them.
Nukes plus an army that is willing to end Americans
We tried to have navy seals plant listening devices in North Korea ahead of a summit, it did not go well. People say nukes, but I think their security is a whole nother level, like our government rarely knows where those leaders are at a given moment.
If I remember correctly, the seals were compromised by a fisherman, not exactly high tech security.
The seals were approached by a fishing boat who had heard their ruckus, and murdered them. The us has a thing for killing fishermen.
Nukes
They have nukes and even without that their countries would fight back against occupation far more effectively than Venezuela can.
Venezuela would definitely fight back an occupation, that’s why they’re not invading. There are already Communist guerillas on the border with Colombia. Recruitment would shoot up under the banner of “stop the empire from bombing us and taking our oil”.
Completely agree that they would fight back I just think they are less equipped to do so. War with venezuela would be a guerilla war of attrition on Venezuelan soil but Russia and the DPRK could bring the war to us. Not very effectively but it is still a risk. I don’t think the US will invade Venezuela either but I find it likely that we will see bombings and maybe an attempt to arm Guyana (a lot less likely and I don’t know enough about Guyana to judge if they would actually do this but they have a close enough relationship with the US that I consider it possible) and use them as a proxy to take nearby territory with oil reserves. The current administration doesn’t have the political capital to use many US troops if any.
For dprk, it’s not so much “bring the war to us” as ‘completely flatten seoul in minutes with the enormous amount of artillery they have pointing at it,’ which of course makes south korea a little nervous. Then there’s the possibility of mid range nukes hitting us allies which makes them nervous. I’m quite honestly on the fence about whether anyone in the current us administration would even care. We know trump would merely shrug.
Expect Trump to try to steal Essequibo very shortly. There are some Guyanese that stupidly support Trump and he will use this as propaganda.
Maduro made a crutial mistake, he didn’t have nukes.
Putin, Xi, and fat boy Kim, they all have nukes.
DPRK is also supported by PRC, so there’s no way the US would touch it (I mean unless trump got crazy and started ordering nuke strikes to end the world)
another one is not bothering developing oil extraction early on, he got lazy, even if he has to hire international expertise, it wouldve been solely under his control.
(I mean unless trump got crazy and started ordering nuke strikes to end the world)
H-ok, so, here’s de Earth…
But I’m le tired…
Fkn Kangaroos…
'bout that time ey chaps.
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North korea didn’t have them for the longest time. None of the middle east countries have them to this day. I wonder if Rusia would even retaliate like that, I suspect not.
pakistan has nukes, and they never signed on to the nuclear nonproliferation treaty. not that that matters anymore…
Does pakistan have a particularly problematic leader? Or why are we taking about them?
Your statement about nukes in the Middle East was inaccurate.
But Pakistan isn’t in the middle east.
The only middle eastern country with nukes is Israel.
And yet he said there were none. So, still inaccurate.
Technically you are right, but we already know the us is in love with Israel so them having nukes would have no effect on the hypothetical situation of clearing out the trash in that particular country.
That’s where Osama Bin Laden was hiding.
I don’t think Russia would really give a shit, or the US for that matter, at least not with their current ‘leaders’
It has had a lot of artillery pointed at South Korea for quite a while, so I guess that helps.
They have nuclear weapons.
…under the president’s pillow?
(No, nukes do not prevent an abduction)
It is the threat of retaliation using nuclear weapons that keeps countries from doing certain things.











