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EDIT: It’s honestly hard to believe how intense and personal some of the hostility in this thread is. I understand objecting to something when there is a valid concern, especially about ethics or consent. But this is something else entirely. It feels less like people are engaging with the actual work and more like they are reacting to the mere presence of AI in any form, regardless of context.
I don’t think LLMs are universally good or bad. I think they are very very bad at a large number of things, especially when people try to use them as shortcuts in places where care, originality, or expertise (or human understanding and subsequent empathy) are required. But they are also extremely effective in other use cases when used with skill, intention, and thought. That is the position I hold. It is nuanced. It does not dismiss the criticisms people have raised, but it also does not treat every use of the technology as automatically unethical or invalid.
What I did was not a random one-line prompt into a generator. I gave deliberate, specific instructions about pose, anatomy, style, and tone. I gave feedback. I adjusted the inputs. I guided it through a process that produced something unique and original. The result is not a collage of stolen images. It is not a copy of anything that has ever existed. That is important context, and it is constantly ignored in these arguments.
There is a real difference between raising concerns in good faith and launching personal attacks at people who use a tool in a considered way. The people jumping into these threads with moral outrage are not engaging in objective analysis. They are repeating talking points as if AI art is some kind of singular personal enemy. It often feels like they are reacting based on something they heard someone else say, rather than thinking critically about what is in front of them.
And this is happening in a community that is supposed to be supportive of neurodivergent people. That is the part I find most maddening. There is room here for discussion and for disagreement. But instead of debate, we get judgment, condescension, rabid hostility, and attempts to shame people for trying something different. That is not the kind of environment anyone should want to foster.
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Fuck AI
Fuck AI
sniff sniff
smells like AI, come back with a handdrawn version or proof it’s not
if you can’t draw it’s okay, draw it anyway, you won’t learn by telling a water waster to do it for you
sniff sniff
Smells like hater. Come back with a valuable comment or proof of your reason for existence.
If you can’t say anything nice, it’s okay. Don’t say anything at all.
if you can’t say anything nice, it’s okay. Don’t say anything at all.
i’d rather receive negative feedback and know what to improve than no feedback at all and be clueless as to why people don’t care about my works.
using the plagiarism machines to generate things for you is widely frowned upon in every creative industry
Here’s some feedback on how to improve for ya, get better opinions and stop parroting the boring anti creative narrative lemmy users have.
LLMs are the epitome of anti-creativity
Disagree. They’re just another outlet of creative expression, if used to do so.
anti creative 💀 i don’t even know what to say to this… i hope you get better soon
I know you’re incapable of complex thought. I hope you do too, friend.
I don’t care whether they do, and I’m only not blocking them so I can show my support for your support. You’d think I personally melted an icecap and convinced an LLM to somehow kill this person’s puppy.
The upvotes are a pretty clear indicator that most people enjoy it. As usual, it’s a few vocal ***** like you who think you’re right and want to impose your values on everybody else.
i’m not imposing anything, i think AI are is shite on many levels and i’m vocal about it. die mad about it
Funny, you seem to be the one who’s mad. I’m just bemused. Also a little annoyed on OP’s behalf that his first comic got derailed into this nonsense discussion.
i’m not imposing anything
Says the person with explicit instructions to others on how to approach their own creativity.
jesus, you’re deeply annoying
Because I’m pointing out unpleasant facts? Imagine how OP feels. He made something, posted it for the first time, and the feedback he gets consists of ‘You’re a horrible person for not doing this the way I think you should’. You’re shitting on somebody’s first (and possibly only) attempt at doing something cool to push your irrelevant opinions.
You know, the n-word was pretty popular in 1850.
It still is today in some circles. What’s your point? I can pull out random analogies out of my ass too if that’s all we’re doing.
I think it’s good to impose anti n-word values on people. It makes the world better, you know?
I think so too. How does this relate to the topic at hand?
“You aren’t allowed to make a quick joke unless you spend countless hours developing your art skills”.
You people are weird.
countless hours? find three .pngs in google, a pangolin, a chair, and a desk. put them together in something barely more advanced than paint (so opacity is preserved), and it’s done. time to learn that skill: 10min max, time to use that skill after the initial learning time: 2min per image
it doesn’t have to be good, it doesn’t have to be drawn, it can be 3 pictures smushed together that’s okay, what it does have to be, in my opinion, is made by a person. Not a glorified plagarism water boiler
the shittiest handmade rage comic is better than the finest AI made meme
Your advice is to take three things directly created by other people and combine them together? That’s literally plagiarism.
No it’s not. Not if you synthesize them into something new, which is what this comic would have been.
That is exactly what the LLM did, only to a greater extent. This pangolin has never existed anywhere else. It was created based on my specific prompts and my instructions about which styles to draw from. That is the same process humans use when creating images in a particular style. Inspiration is not plagiarism.
You’re acting like you made a collage. You didn’t. You typed a few words into a prompt, and an LLM used the work of other artists without their permission to spit something out.
Just make a collage next time instead, it has actual artistic value.
You didn’t understand anything I wrote
this pangolin is dozens of artists’ pangolins. describing the prompt doesnt make it source magically ethical
the difference is that the people who make pngs of singular objects/animals mean for those images to be used by others.
AI companies force feed algorithms with everything they can find, permission from the creators or not
no, that’s how image macros have literally always worked. youre plagiarizing the artists by using generative images that scrapes their livelihoods without their consent. also, if you took someone elses picture of a pangolin, you can credit the artist. can your AI do that?
it doesn’t have to be good, it doesn’t have to be drawn, it can be 3 pictures smushed together that’s okay, what it does have to be, in my opinion, is made by a person. Not a glorified plagarism water boiler
Good for you, you’re free to do that when you start making your own comics. Now explain why you think everybody else should share your same value set?
i am an artist, i actually create things regularly, on various levels of effort.
because plagiarism is bad. and wasting water is also bad. as it is today AI is not ethical in the slightest.
read about it before you decide to make a clown out of yourself
read about it before you decide to make a clown out of yourself
The arrogance is astounding. You immediately assume that anybody with a differing opinion than yours has that opinion because they are uninformed and clueless, and once they have the facts in hand they will immediately come around to your PoV.
i am an artist
I guessed. Most of you haters are either feeling your livelihood being threatened or resenting that you had to spend hundreds of hours learning to draw and insisting everybody else has to do the same.
Sounds like a republican.
Sounds like a republican.
Oh wow you’re just a tool then I guess… The most “republican” thing I’ve seen in this thread is you refusing to accept valid criticism about using garbage technology.
This sums it up in a nutshell. I actually plan to work on my drawing skills because now I can do it digitally and that’s now interesting. But I already had this image that I generated a while back and I thought of a good use for it and I thought it was funny and relevant. Fuck me I guess 🤷♂️.
Pangolin had it coming, setting up meetings without looking at coworkers’ calendars. Fuck you, discount armadillo, you’re not more important than me!
How dare you besmirch pangolin. Pangolin is best animal.
He abuses his cuteness to avoid consequences. He’s a sociopath, is what he is!
AI can generate an absolutely perfect pangolin, but keyboards? Mathematically impossible!
I take it you didn’t like my comic, then?
I’m not a fan of AI but I did like your comic premise.
Since I can’t draw, but I still have ideas, this seemed like the best way. ADHDinos is basically like the same 3 images over and over and no one seems to mind that. Plus, I shudder at the thought of trying to vector trace all those pangolin scales. I’m glad you liked it though.
how about you just… try? i started drawing two months ago. quit being a baby
Quit being mean for no reason.
quit killing the planet for memes. i think thats a pretty damn good reason.
Generating the image (which op did) uses energy on the same order of a Google search.
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Unless you’re claiming that you have no negative impact on the planet, you’re just arbitrarily gatekeeping which activities are and aren’t allowed.
Just draw some doodles, you have enough talent to draw some simple characters, you’ll get better over time and I am sure you’ll have more fun doing it. Think of all the rage-comics 15 years ago, all trash level ms-paint art, massive and long lasting impact on pop-culture. Talent isn’t required for memes, just ideas!
XKCD is literally stick figures, for example, and has more or less remained stick figures since its inception.
Everyone can draw. You mean that you aren’t practiced yet, which is perfectly fine and everyone starts that way. If you want to make comics, then make comics. Don’t waste time and energy on AI slop that doesn’t bring the same meaning as something a person made, however inexperienced they may be.
If Dinosaur Comics can write utterly classic comics using the same exact clipart every time, you can do it too.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. I was honestly hoping the Lemmy anti-AI knee-jerk responses would not have bled over into this community, but clearly that hope was in vain.
AI haters love harassing people. Sorry you had to go through this.
I appreciate you. 🤜🤛
Homie you’re gonna face that everywhere, not just Lemmy. GenAI is built on the intellectual property theft of thousands of artists. Nobody is going to applaud you for taking an unethical shortcut.
Nothing ethical about property rights.
Human culture for everyone, fuck the multinational corporations who fought to make it so sacred for their profits.
Reality check: Most people DGAF. Check out the upvotes on the post to see how many people care.
come on over to db0 and hang out with us! would be welcome here. good comic.
How…do I do that exactly 🤷♂️
This got me thinking… Is there a place on Lemmy where you can post an idea, and others collaborate to improve it?
Like a drawing, or like other stuff?
Like when you have a joke in mind but can’t draw it, or when you write a song but can’t get the melody right, and so on.
There’s a place called fiverr that’s pretty good for that…
This sounds like a great idea
You don’t have to vector trace. Just try your best freehand with simple shapes and get better over time. A lot of digital drawing software has pen smoothing and you can adjust the paths after the fact if you use Inkscape/Illustrator.
I was going to say I don’t have the desire to devote the time it would take, but then I realized: I have never tried drawing digitally before. And I totally already have everything I need to do it. And now I am intrigued.
do it!! im serious!! learn to appreciate the hard work of creativity! it’s a labor of love. your machines will not help you grow.
i deeply regret having used AI after experiencing the magic that is creation
the hard work of creativity!
The creativity is the idea, the execution is the work. Execution is simple mechanical rote, nothing special.
Just ignore the anti AI dumbasses and keep doing what you’re doing. This is literally one of the best use cases for AI - to allow people to explore their creativity in the avenue of their choice.
it’s not exploring shit though, you aren’t learning how to make art by having an AI generate it for you. OP is exactly where they were before they “made” it, still as unable to create art as before, not a single tiny step forward.
The author is exploring their comedian skills, not their drawing skills.
clearly they want their comedian skill to be supported by an image of sorts, or they’d just write text
nobodys memes are worth the energy use required to generate this visual slop
Don’t listen to the haters, keep exploring your creativity. If you feel like drawing, go for it. if not, or you don’t have enough time, use whatever tool you want instead. I would only caution on getting too attached to proprietary tools like OpenAI.
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Was a nice comic! Keep it up, and remember to ignore the vocal minority of idiots. You can tell from the upvote ratio that most people DGAF that the image is AI.
That’s OK. I’m sure all those negative people were capable of drawing outstanding pangolins before they ever saw my comic. Because they absolutely definitely knew what those were, and could draw all those scales freehand from memory.
nobody is telling you you have to freehand from memory. stop making up strawmen
Wait, what? Are we not allowed to criticize AI art unless it’s of something that we can provably draw ourselves? Lol
