Basically: should i care about ethics?

  • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    1 day ago

    Pirate what you need unless you are one of them archiver preppers.

    This ain’t about “legality” this is about fighting the class war against owner class.

  • bastion@feddit.nl
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    ·
    2 days ago

    I like to think about ethics. I still pirate some random stuff here and there, but one thing I like to do is make sure I’m getting some money to the creators of what I’m enjoying, skipping the middle man as much as can be.

    this is mostly only relevant with music, but if I can buy an album or song directly from the artist, that’s awesome. it not, i try to five what service benefits them most.

  • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    99
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    edit-2
    5 days ago

    Basically: should i care about ethics capitalist ideology?

    No.

    The system is literally genociding people, destroying the planet, etc. It’s a major mistake to take their “ethics” seriously. It’s just another grift. Enjoy the natural freedom of information while you still can.

    • mogranja@lemmy.eco.br
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      16
      ·
      4 days ago

      This, but at the same time, support the people whose work you like so they can continue doing it.

      • Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        4 days ago

        Hell yeah. I give money to small/individual artists and creators when I can be guaranteed they’re getting all my money. Everything else is fair game for me and I’ve never felt a bit of shame.

      • deczzz@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        3 days ago

        Where is the threshold between supporting “the little guy” to “supporting evil capitalism”? At some point the little guy you support with money might become a super star. You still like his art but would you still support?

        I do the same btw but this question creates cognitive dissonance in my small tiny brain.

        • mogranja@lemmy.eco.br
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          3 days ago

          I don’t think there is a clear line there. Avoiding the big names we all know about is a start, and then we all do the best we can.

  • mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    16
    ·
    edit-2
    4 days ago

    I used to only pirate things that I owned in different formats, (like owning a DVD, but wanting to watch it on my iPad), or planned on buying in the near future. But nowadays, it feels more like stealing from billionaires is a moral imperative.

  • Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    23
    ·
    edit-2
    5 days ago

    The US Supreme Court said it’s cool for LLMs to pirate shit for their garbage so it’s free game. Pirate everything. Support indie developers and artists though if you dug some of the stuff you pirated and have the means. I pirate manga all the time but still like having a lot of the physical copies so I end up doing that a lot even though they’re usually raking in money

  • Krauerking@lemy.lol
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    9
    ·
    4 days ago

    Ha ha. I got your mass produced shit and i didnt pay for it, and then shared it with people so they dont waste their money.

    And

    Oh hey wanna buy that bluray for Toxic Avenger cause its a great movie?

    Are 2 thoughts im completely fine with holding in my head.

  • Seefra 1@lemmy.zip
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    5
    ·
    4 days ago

    From my personal ethics standpoint, intellectual property is a form of private property which I’m against, also a form or artificial scarcity, which I’m also against.

    If you want to support a small artist? You can maybe donate to them directly? Is that a thing? Maybe they have a patreon or something? In my case I have way less money than the artists I consume from so donating would make no sense.

    Also, the act of making a copy doesn’t remove the original, the artist doesn’t get poorer because you pirate their content.

  • cecilkorik@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    41
    ·
    5 days ago

    Support the creators who deserve support. Otherwise you will end up with nothing good to pirate, because all the creators who deserved support and made your favourite creations, starved to death (or got other jobs, effectively the same thing)

    Your single act of piracy is not likely to make a difference either way, but on the other hand, your single act might indeed be the straw that breaks one particular camel’s back. And collectively we have to take some responsibility for that. It’s not even just about ethics (although it is ALSO about ethics), it’s about self-interest. You can be an individual freerider if you want, but eventually the freeriders overwhelm the system and it shuts down.

    Realistically there will always be plenty, plenty of games to pirate. But the key question is, will enough of those be good games, the really enjoyable ones that you want to play? The AAA slop and rehashes will never stop, oh they’'ll churn and froth and lay people off and blame pirates but they’re effectively self-sustaining, it takes money to make money and it takes money to lose money and there’s enough money in the system to keep them churning out sequels and derivative “new IP” until the heath death of the universe. There will always be some good games to pirate and to play no matter what you do, no matter what we all do.

    But it’s not a binary condition whether our financial support or piracy matters. You vote with your dollars. Your dollars guide the AAA studios in their desperate chase to steal the dollars from us, and your dollars literally enable indie developers to continue their projects at all. If too many people are not rewarding the kinds of novel and well-made games they want to see from AAA studios, and not supporting people’s passion projects that they’ve poured years of their lives into, you’re not going to see as many novel and well-made games or passion projects like that happening, and odds are good that at least one of the ones you won’t see happening will be one you really would have enjoyed.

  • rozodru@piefed.social
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    11
    ·
    4 days ago

    it depends.

    I’m old enough to remember when PC demos were a thing and essentially if a demo didn’t exist, the game likely wouldn’t sell well. Hell there used to be entire websites that ONLY had demos for download of upcoming releases. So now game companies don’t do demos anymore, I pirate the games as a demo. If it’s something I think I’ll play through and come back to in a month or two or even a year then I’ll buy it. If it’s an indie dev I’ll buy it because I want to support them.

    If it’s something I’m no likely to finish or will finish and never pick it up again, high seas.

    Music is different. I just soulseek everything. I’m not paying some crappy streaming service to then provide pennies to the artist. I can support artists I like via other means. Merch sales, going to concerts, etc that’s where they get their money.

    TV and movies? fuck em. I’m not paying for that crap when 9 times out of 10 something that I like is just going to get cancelled after 2 seasons. They don’t need my money.

    Books? nope, always pay for those.

    • Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      4 days ago

      Ethics are very important to me so I say always support worker owned companies/ small indie teams, always support books, but never support evil mega corps like Amazon, Disney, EA, Activision, etc.

      Also, any company that has donated to the Republican neo-fascist party? Fuck them. If you wouldn’t give money to Putin then you should never ever give money to anyone who will give that money to Putin’s puppets (conservatives)