• some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
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    6 hours ago

    The cool part is how my mother voted for the asshole again, dissolving our relationship. /s

    Fuck you, mom. You used to rock.

  • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
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    MAGAs are trying to blame the mayor and governor for not deploying the local PD to protect ICE Apes. There are 3000 ICE Apes, and 600 local cops. Are the ICE Apes such pussies that they can’t protect themselves?

    Or maybe they just want the locals around to act as scapegoats for their own incompetence.

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    Ok then Brian, how about you and your department go oh I don’t know do your jobs?

    I’m tired of seeing cops and politicians on TV or twitter just ensuring they get a good sound bite and not actually do anything. It’s like the Mayor of Minneapolis who is all “fuck ice” ok then bro, tell your police chief…literally this guy…to go arrest them and kick them out.

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      By themselves, they are outmanned and outgunned. There’s been multiple stories about how they show up even with some order by a judge in hand and ICE/CBP just ignores them. From a practical perspective, they don’t have much recourse if ICE/CBP ignores the law and has the force.

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    Then start arresting them. Even if you can only hold them for 24 hours and they go free, it starts to send a message and gets them off the street.

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      21 hours ago

      And if they resist (being alive counts as resistance) and are armed (or were armed at some point in the recent past), ICE has suggested a method for handling those “arrests.”

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        Give them due process, let them see a judge, who will declare them a flight risk, and order them to stay in jail until their trial in 6-9 months. Let ICE try to break them out of jail.

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        It would be hillarious if ICE won a court case where they held someone without due process, then the police use that same case to hold ICE without due process

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          These MAGA dopes never understand that their bullshit can cut both ways. We should force them to taste their own medicine as much as possible.

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      20 hours ago

      Seems like in a world where cops are allowed to shoot whoever resists that there is actually a pretty easy way to handle a bunch of ICE goons with like two days of training.

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        ICE and CBP personnel in Minneapolis outnumber state and local police in Minneapolis. It’s a bit more complicated than just “arrest ICE and shoot them if they resist.”

        It would also be the literal start to the second american civil war. Everything so far has been leading up to it, but that would ignite the powder keg. Unless the state guard is ready to defend against a DoD invasion, lighting the keg in an official capacity is inadvisable. Maga is drooling at the mouth for public executions.

        The longer we can delay full-on civil war, the better. tRump & co want things to accelerate as fast as possible. Don’t give them what they want.

        And before you say “we’re already at war,” this is not what war looks like. Not even close. Don’t exaggerate, or else you might learn all too soon what a real war looks like.

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          Oh, and which one do you think is more interested in fighting in the streets of Minnesota? The actual people who live there and swore to protect the people of that state, or a bunch of Jan 6 goons who had 40 minutes of training and were flipping burgers last week?

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            Your formulation orients the answer as if it were obvious, but Jan 6 goons did prove on Jan 6 that they were very interested in fighting. Not necessarily competently, but at least enthusiastically.

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              Given how quickly they bitched out after what’s her face took a round I don’t think they were interested in fighting pillage, rape, and kill sure but actually fight? They showed their cowardice.

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              Right. The point I am making is that they are a substantially less effective fighting force than actual trained law enforcement officers AND are far less interested in actually doing it.

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            That doesn’t really matter, because in order to chase ICE out of Minnesota you would need to present a forceful deterrent, and that’s numerically unfeasible when you have less personnel and a smaller budget.

            ICE/CBP could have 30 squads of 100 goons roaming around different parts of Minneapolis. Even if state and local agencies operated on an “all hands on deck” basis (which is untenable over a span of days or weeks), at most they would be able to have 26 groups of 100 personnel, or 30 groups of 86 personnel. Either way, it’s not really the show of force that would be required for what you’re asking. Especially when they’re at a material disadvantage when it comes to hardware.

            Especially if DHS decides to send in reinforcements…

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              ICE is already struggling to find personnel to deploy to this, you really think they keep showing up if they start getting arrested? They don’t HAVE reinforcements.

              Remember: These jobs suck. The only people doing this are a handful of true believers that actually believe they are achieving something and people with no better options. There is not an infinite pool of people available to do this. When the job gets harder, riskier, or just less pleasant, that pool gets smaller.

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                That “if they start getting arrested” part is doing a lot of heavy lifting.

                How are you going to start arresting people who have you outnumbered, out-armored, and out-armed?

                Some people lack all understanding of combat logistics, and it shows.

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                  It sure does. You seem to be operating under the assumption that the entirety of ICE is standing there on the street of Minneapolis. That’s weird.

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            Yes, they want to destroy the civic order, and no matter how much damage they do to it, we can’t let their destruction become total. Because as soon as we stop holding together the fabric of society, all is lost.

            No matter how hopeless it gets, we must refuse to give into lawlessness and chaos. That doesn’t mean we should tolerate intolerance or lawlessness, but it means we should insist, above all, on civility and maintaining pro-sociality.

            We mustn’t let hatred infect our minds, because if we do, we cannot present a unified front. The resistance would tear itself apart with infighting. There are already many agents attempting to sow such division a discord, posing as “leftists” and advocating for chaos and destruction. We mustn’t let them win.

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    Hot air.

    Are you going to act or just yap like a little dog? You’re a chief of fucking police. Ohhhh, you don’t actually care? Gotcha.

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      That’s how all the politicians and authority figures have been acting. It’s because in reality, he doesn’t control his gang (the MPD).

      His gang supports this shit but he’s the public face of the gang and has to act like they aren’t loving all of this. Mind you this is the same police force that kicked of BLM because of murdering a civilian.

      They don’t give a shit about human life and this is just fucking theater.

      Edit: added some punctuation and fixed a typo to improve the sentence structure.

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        It’s basically the same as the Hell’s Angels doing community events.

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    Rival gangs / warlords

    Cops steal the power and responsibilities of community defense from the people, and nothing upsets them more than someone else showing them up. In fact, I imagine that police chiefs are far more distraught to hear that neighborhoods are organizing their own patrols and security networks than they are about the murders.

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    This is CRAZY! And as the Chief of Police I want to say it’s HORRIBLE that UNKNOWN, MASKED, ARMED MEN are MURDERING AMERICANS IN THE STREETS! It’s BAD! I want you to KNOW this because I’m NOT going to Arrest or in ANY way shape or form slow Down these UNKNOWN DANGEROUS MURDERERS!

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      You should really put these posts on Twitter, you’ll have a million followers cheering you on and agreeing with everything you say in no time while the joke goes so far over their head they wouldn’t be able to see it with a telescope.

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        The CHILD PORN on Elon Musk’s Twitter DETERS me Not INTRIGUES me because I only PRETEND to be Republican but I’m not ACTUALLY one!

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      This cannot be a healthy attitude though. Like, a police force is one of the basic requirements of a society of even moderate size. The police suck much, much harder than they should, but I absolutely cannot believe that everybody working in law enforcement everywhere is an irredeemable cunt. That cannot be the correct take here