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    They are making robots that are confirmed to not do anything on their own? The ones he has been scamming people and lying over using human remote operators?

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      The robots are going to finish that tunnel in California. They will carry your car through the tunnel, as always promised. They just need a little funding.

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    Elon Musk is a Nazi

    He Should be stripped of his security clearance and incarcerated immediately.

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    Sales are tanking, profits are tanking, and he’s being forced to abandon his precious “SEXY” branding, by ditching the S and the X. Now it’s just “EY.”

    Tesla has crashed, and is NEVER coming back. Sales/profits will continue to slip with each earnings report. The only thing keeping it afloat is because it is held in massive institutional investment accounts, but as it continues it’s inexorable slide, those institutional accounts will start to sell down, accelerating the slide, until they all bail, and Tesla stock nosedives.

    Tesla will be bankrupt in 2 years.

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    I am personally rather skeptical about the commercial viability of humanoid robots in 2026, but I suppose that we shall see.

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      They are just the prototypes to the eventual Slaughterbots that will be deployed into the streets to kill us, and bring us under control.

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      He is shifting production to a robot he can’t even show a working prototype for. The US taxpayer will be buying some expensive Roombas in 2026…

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      The military and DHS will buy them up like hot cakes i bet. Coming soon to a street corner near you. My question is will they be armed with 5.56 or 7.62?

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      I just don’t understand who the market is supposed to be for humanoid robots. Manufacturing? They’ve already built bespoke task-centric robots. Consumers and businesses? They can already hire a real person without spending money upfront to “purchase” said person. I just don’t see the use case. It feels like another metaverse or smart glasses. Just another desperate grab at investor money and trying to claim the next “big thing”.

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        I mean, human environments are intrinsically made for humanoids to navigate. Like, okay, we put stairs places, things like that. So in theory, yeah, a humanoid form makes sense if you want to stick robots in a human environment.

        But in practice, I think that there are all kinds of problems to be solved with humans and robots interacting in the same space and getting robots to do human things. Even just basic safety stuff, much less being able to reasonably do general interactions in a human environment. Tesla spent a long time on FSD for its vehicles, and that’s a much-more-limited-scope problem.

        Like, humanoid robots have been a thing in sci-fi for a long time, but I’m not sold that they’re a great near-term solution.

        If you ever look at those Boston Dynamics demos, you’ll note that they do them in a (rather-scuffed-up) lab with safety glass and barriers and all that.

        I’m not saying that it’s not possible to make a viable humanoid robot at some point. But I don’t think that the kind of thing that Musk has claimed it’ll be useful for:

        “It’ll do anything you want,” Musk said. “It can be a teacher, babysit your kids; it can walk your dog, mow your lawn, get the groceries; just be your friend, serve drinks. Whatever you can think of, it will do.”

        …a sort of Rosie The Robot from The Jetsons, is likely going to be at all reasonable for quite some time.

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          I guess the point I was trying to make in my original post is - say we invent human robots tomorrow - what’s better about them than actual humans, which we already have an unlimited supply of? It just seems like a god complex thing to me, not really solving any major problems for humanity.

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          How many times has Musk promised technology actually appeared?

          He killed his EV company just as EV sales were taking off worldwide.

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    Damn. It’s the end then. That can only mean the robots are ready for the streets. Literally, THE STREETS.

    Think about it. He’s in the government (non-elected) and they are deploying ICE agents everywhere.

    The robots will 100% be seen standing at street corners “keeping the peace” within a year.

    Omfg am I crazy, or is this realistic? Please just tell me I’m wrong and there’s no chance.

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      You’re not crazy, but it won’t be Elon who does it. The Tesla robots are nowhere near ready for production. This is vaporware, just like the Roadster.

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        Oh please, all the robots need is a light intensity sensor, some simple targeting, and a gun actuator, and they can do “policing” even more effectively than ICE. Maybe a speaker to play a token warning message before firing. You know something like “HALT! Show your identity papers, you have 10 seconds to comply, 9, 8, 7”

        Movement comes later, once all the immigrants have figured out where the robots are planted.

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          Yeah, lol. All the robots need is any actual robotics, and then they’re good to go!

          they can do “policing” even more effectively than ICE.

          A bulldozer with a brick on the pedal can do “policing” more effectively than ICE. That’s not much of a flex.

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      I would worry but this is muskrat the ketamine king. He’s gonna fuck it up.

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        Drop your weapons!

        Family looks confused holding ice cream cones

        You have 20 seconds to comply!

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      You’re not crazy, just slightly panicked. They won’t be in the streets within a year. It will certainly take at least TWO years to get there ! Please, lets all remain reasonable.

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          BD is bullshit. Cute videos of programmed dancing is not a labor force to reliably do work.

          These videos are all the same -never actually working, and why the fuck would you make a robot a biped with only two arms? Is the point to increase productivity or look like cheap humans?

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            BD is far from bullshit. I used to work across the street from them and saw them testing robots countless times in the parking lot and surrounding area. They were also nice enough to give me & a bunch of coworkers a tour of their labs. It’s pretty darned impressive what they’ve achieved in 3 decades of research. This recent news story shows a lot of the capabilities of their current generation Atlas robot.

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    Nazis deserve a punch in the face, not money.

    Boycott Tesla and Nazi led companies. Do not buy their products, do not buy their stock. Ensure any investment funds you have are free of Nazis.

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      Even if his robots were ready for primetime (they’re not), I don’t see how he’s going to be able to price them affordably, given the RAM shortages.

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        They might have at least a few years worth of contracts in place. Beyond that, hopefully the current ram situation sorts itself out?

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        They don’t need to be affordable, they will be subscribed to. What, poor, you don’t have the iRobot subscription?

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    So basically the cars are not selling, but he doesn’t want to be seen to be closing the factories.

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      The S and X haven’t really sold well since the model 3/y were ramped up. Those ate most of their sales. Even before the nazi shit they were low, and he’s hinted a couple times before that as well that their days were numbered.

      They did want a car to put fancy tech in like the plaid version, but that’ll just be the roadster now instead.

      They are leaving a big gap in the lineup though without a bigger SUV, so it’ll be interesting to see if they bring the extended Y from China to other markets now.

      Edit: actually it was just after the salute before it’s impact would have been apparent in Feb. They mentioned there was some nostalgia around them even though they weren’t selling a lot, but at the same time said they weren’t going to cancel them… so that didn’t age well.

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        I don’t think them discontinuing old models is a problem. The problem is that they were supposed to announce new models years ago. No they are closing factories and not only still didn’t announce anything, they are switching to robots. So no new models are coming. It’s a disaster. Looks like Musk took charge at the company, forced everyone to work on Cybertruck, this failed and now they don’t know what to do.

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          They’ve clearly stated they canceled the newer model in place for the cybercab so ya. Unless that fails and they have to pivot back to cars with steering wheels I think the roadster / semi will be the last new human drivable ones?

          It’s not the same company it used to be anymore that’s for sure.

          Edit: Maybe the 3/y will get 1 last human refresh too?

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            I think that they were isolating Elon from real decision making for a long time but he finally took over and forced them to create the Cybertruck. To me it’s not even clear if they are still able to design cars or if Elon completely destroyed their ability to function as a car maker. Shareholders apparently still believe they can create new products but we have seen any evidence of that in years.

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              I mean, the Cybecab exists and is driving on public roads today with a driver for testing purposes, and without a driver on private roads. It might be a bit far to say suggest they can’t design a car.

              The question isn’t can they make a car, but is that car ever going to be allowed to legally drive on public roads as designed without a driver.

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                No, the question is why does anyone give a fuck about robotic taxis at all? Waymo has been at if far longer, for real, and they are still losing money. There is no business model.

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                  That’s a pretty wild and closed mind thinking to say there’s no business model for it.

                  I’m not saying Tesla can truly solve this problem, but lets just assume for the moment that they actually can solve self driving.

                  Note: For anyone who questions this thesis, just to pre-empt people replying “but they can’t do it”, that is NOT what this discussion is going to be about, so get lost.

                  Now that that is out of the way

                  Waymo vehicles are retrofitted vehicles that are expensive to begin with, with more expensive hardware. The car itself is 70k+ and with retrofits its well over 100k. Jaguar and their suppliers have to earn a profit on the vehicle, and then Waymo has to pay on top of that to get it all customized. (edit: and pay for service which comes at a profit for the supplier as well)

                  Tesla has designed a bespoke vehicle specifically for autonomous driving that is going to cost them less than 30k to build at scale including all the hardware, no retrofits needed. Everything from it’s construction, interior, 2 seats vs 4 seats etc are all designed for this one exact purpose. They don’t even have a steering wheel or pedals, and while the video could just be a gimmick, they’ve showcased a robot that is specifically designed to be able to clean this specific interior.

                  Tesla can refine their own lithium hydroxide, to build their own batteries, which they claim (no proof) are cheaper than their supplier batteries for cost/kwh. That’s not to say they could sell them for more profit than Samsung or LG or BYD, but that those companies put a profit ontop of their cells, and Tesla claims the cost is below that.

                  So, they refine their own lithium now, could already make batteries cheaper than they could buy them from others before that, they build their own cars where they don’t need to make a profit on the sale, which has been explicitly designed for this one use case and you still don’t think there’s any room for it to be profitable, IF they can actually solve the problem?

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                It’s still under development and it’s hard to tell what it will do when it hits the roads. What if it’s total disaster like Cybertrack? They don’t just have to design cars. They have to design cars that people want to buy.

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                  They have to design cars that people want to buy.

                  Well… that’s not true anymore

                  They won’t be selling it to people. Like, they are right fucked if this thing can’t drive autonomously and fast.

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      It’s total bullshit. They don’t need to do anything to the factory. They haven’t made X and Y in Fremont for 2 years. There isn’t anything to retool or any space to reuse.

      The factory already frequently takes manufacturing breaks for days at a time. If he had a robot to build, they have capacity, but let’s not fool ourselves. There is nothing to manufacture or deliver.

      You’re dead on, this is just him hoping he can fool people into thinking they still even need his factories at full capacity. Pretty sure they don’t.

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        … Not using the existing machines doesn’t mean they aren’t still there, and not the right configuration for building robots…

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      This. They’ll shut down for retooling, open up to churn out a small number of robots that do nothing, and claim success while firing most of the staff.

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        Well the contract he signed for ~$1 trillion by 2035 specifies he has to deploy 1 million robots and 1 million robo-taxis. Which I can see happening.

        The issue I see with it is he has to get Tesla car deliveries up to 20 million a year. To put that into perspective, new car sales in the U.S. has never hit 20 million vehicles that I know of. Globally I just saw their sales were at less than 2 million.

        So chopping the $80,000+ models and keeping the ~$40,000 models that make up 97% of their sales makes sense. He needs something that will gather a lot of new sales, and there aren’t mass amounts of people with $100k to buy a new car.

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        I know a Cybertruck owner that has to scrape dogshit off the windows every week. He wants to sell it, but it would mean a $60K loss in 11 months.

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      There’s going to be plenty of idiots that will see the never proven mostly unusable robot as a good thing for the company. Another trillion dollar bonus package approved!