Has this video been published yet?
Video was shot and is being edited, recently teased on Wan Show
Linus will win!
My money is on Linus
“Lynus” yes, “Leenoos” probably has slower reflexes
I hear Linus sleeps with nunchucks
“May the sudo be with you”
Sauce?
salt and pepper
This not sauce. This spice.
Where is the sauce?
The video hasn’t been released yet, they teased it on the wan show last night.
There can be, Only One.
Is this real?
Real as in “are they sword fighting to the death?” - no
Real as in “have they come together in person to take a picture?” - likely yes
Yes, they recently shot a video together.
Wow. I have a bit more respect for one than the other. The dweeb made a video where he pretended to try Linux and botched it on purpose
Not on purpose in the way you are suggesting… he tried it all on his own in earnest, but made a dumb mistake not reading the prompt carefully enough or trying to understand it. But, he only got into that situation because of an error on Pop OS! maintainers’ part. It was an unknown issue at the time until he uncovered it. OCAU thread that discussed the issue at the time
I’ve done a long analysis of that incident on using the swiss cheese model, it boils down to:
- There was a bugged version of steam.deb released that would throw an incompatibility with some weirder desktops, to include Pop!_OS’ kind of not quite Cosmic yet fork of Gnome. This incompatibility would have it uninstall the entire GUI. Including X11.
- This bug was found and patched long before this. But, the bugged version just happened to be in the apt cache of the image of Pop!_OS that Linus installed.
- Pop!_OS didn’t perform an apt update at any point during the onboarding cycle, or when launching the Pop!_Shop.
- Linus went to install Steam, the Pop!_Shop saw that scary warning about uninstalling the GUI, and refused to do it.
- Instead of googling “popos failed to install steam” and learning how to update before installing, Linus yelled at the camera about Linux requiring the terminal, googled how to install it from the terminal.
- Most install instructions for Debian-based Linux tell you to apt update and apt upgrade before an apt install, but Linus seems to have only found the apt install instruction.
- Possibly because Windows always says doing something can damage your computer, Linus ignored the warning and forced the install to continue.
- APT happily uninstalled X11.
A lot of the fault falls on the design of Pop!_OS and how it handles the apt cache, that somehow neither the onboarding process nor launching the Pop!_Shop did it. Most of the time it’s mostly not a problem mostly. But one time it was a major problem, on international television. In the same episode, Luke installed Linux Mint, and showed it prompting him to install updates, which refreshes the apt cache and prevents problems like this.
Some of it does fall on Linus. Rather than attempting do diagnose and solve a problem, he threw a little bitch fit.
I don’t get your logic. Why would he do it on purpose? He’s been advocating for and promoting Linux gaming for years now, why would he fail on purpose.
Honestly, what happened seems like something pretty normal for someone that isn’t a programmer or system admin. I remember when consoles were black boxes to me and I wouldn’t understand anything that was written in there even though today it might seem extremely obvious. It was just bad luck that his attempt lined up with a Pop!_OS bug, he didn’t expect that such a normal use case as installing Steam would result in him deleting his desktop environment, and just saw the last line and did what it said.
He’s been advocating for and promoting Linux gaming for years now
I haven’t seen any evidence of that.
I don’t agree at all that the average user would read that warning and proceed. I have seen many people freeze up and cancel upon seeing messages nowhere near that level just because they didn’t understand. That was maybe the scariest warning I’ve seen. It explicitly said it probably would break the system. I always find it odd when people act like it’s normal behavior to proceed in that situation.
I haven’t seen any evidence of that.
He talks about wanting Linux to succed and win marketshare over Windows on many WAN shows, and in general, he is positive towards Linux in the sense that he wants it to win, but he also feelt like it wasn’t ready yet for real mass adoption. For example, he’s rooting for Valve and the SteamDeck and Steam machine to be a success and has been widely positive of Proton and what it has managed to achieve. Perhaps you want him to make videos about Linux, in which case, yes, he hasn’t made that many dedicated videos on it, but on streams he is often positive whenever talking about it.
Also, why are people defending the scumbag for any reason? He was caught manipulating benchmarks after getting paid by a hardware company (forget which company, easy to Google this)
If this is based on the GamersNexus videos, those are pretty absurd hit pieces that seemed to come from some bizarre place of resentment. They’ve had process issues when it comes to how they benchmark hardware, but never anything paid or purposefully misleading.
I’m honestly wondering if you’ve confused it with something else.
If that’s the case, could you link a source then? Because I wasn’t able to find it with a quick Google search He has been the subject of many controversies over the years, most of which have been wildly misinterpreted.
This is basically a hit piece that has been in many ways disproven. Linus and his team are a bunch of apes but that means they are mostly incompetent, not actually malicious.
On purpose, or on stupid? Answers prompt with “I know what I am doing”, breaks system, complains.
…while being forced to do so to achieve a basic thing, and after finding it as the solution on the web (because it usually is). Remember, Pop!_OS screwed up so badly that the installation of a common user program caused the removal of core system packages. While it’s correct to expect people to read warnings, expecting beginners and common users to either learn about the (very complex) inner workings of an operating system just to install something or to let go of their entire gaming library is unreasonable. And although Linus of course should have an interest in learning these things given his work and should’ve taken more care, the video was specifically to showcase how their experience as new users look like. And Pop!_OS was generally regarded as user-friendly, not as solely aimed at professionals (important detail).
If the only solution to a problem with a very common task on a user-friendly OS is hidden behind an advanced-level skill wall (yes, knowing all the important packages if your OS means you’re an advanced user) that may kill you if you do a single wrong action then your system offers shitty solutions.
Fortunately both user-friendly distros and aspects of them like Flatpak have gone way further since then, so this shouldn’t happen as easily anymore. The warnings in apt are way more noticeable now too I think. The Linux community learned from all the bad press… most of it at least.
He explained he was trying to approach it as an average user. But that seems disengenous to me. That warning was scary as fuck. Anyone stupid enough to go far out of their way to break their system against very strong warnings, gets what they get. The average users I know wouldn’t have done that unless they were pretty much done trying and didn’t care if it broke their system anyhow
Windows says shit like “This may harm your computer” for just about anything, especially installing software. Windows users are trained to ignore warnings like that, warnings in Linux are serious.
On the other hand, yes. Reading what is on a computer screen is beyond 117.9% of the population.
This is basically my take on it. Windows has conditioned me to ignore any and all warnings. It would be super easy for me fall into a trap like that on Linux.
Going back to Windows after awhile, you start to wonder how you dealt with it.
Disagree to all.
Reading what is on a computer screen is beyond 117.9% of the population
Then I guess there would have been no problem there, since you have to read the screen and then type or copy/paste an explicit statement that is essentially impossible to miss. This was not “warning blah blah blah. OK/Cancel” that could be glossed over.
Link?
I was more hoping for the “Well Excuuuuuseee me, Princess” Link, but I’ll take it.
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I’m seeing double here, four Linus’s!
… four?
The katana are also named Linus.
The horse’s name is Linus
Really? It could have told me at any point while we went through that fucking desert!
Probably didn’t want to be known by you on a first name basis until you got into the regular desert.
Fair.
Thank you, I have now been unwooshed
Just doing my job.
This is getting out of hand, now there are eight of them.
Linus is taking his rants more seriously these days I see 😆
The name of my sword? It’s “go fuck yourself”.
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Sometimes, “Yes, do as I say!” just doesn’t get the message through.
There can be only one!
Oh man, I want that source!
https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxJH41xfgExAQbc1ej3AkWVqSVjeR93WFf
Currently latest post, no idea how to link to that directly
That video is not out yet, or am I missing something?
I don’t think it is.
