Side question: Why do people buy baguettes? Do they make sandwiches with them? How do you even make a sandwich from them? How are you meant to beat a baguette???

  • Allero@lemmy.today
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    ELI5: dough can take any shape you give it.

    You can load the dough into a metallic shape and close it with a lid, and you’ll get picture 1.

    Or you can make a ball out of it and leave it be on a flat surface, and it will naturally expand to look like picture 2.

    Side question: narrow shape makes baguette have a more crispy texture, which many people like. It’s also usually produced using a special kind of sourdough, which makes it have unique and rich taste. People eat it as is (just biting it from one end to another) or make small open sandwiches by cutting it in slices and putting all sorts of toppings on top of them.

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      Why would you want to bake in a container vs a flat surface? Why are some types of bread one shape, and others another? Is it just tradition, or is there some practical aspect?

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      I saw someone just cut it down the middle and make a long skinny sandwich with one. I didn’t even know that was legal.

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    The rectangular loaf became popular due to packing efficiency. You can fit more of them in less space.

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    I took a trip to Tahiti a couple years back, which is a French territory. Baguettes everywhere. Fellows sold sandwiches with baguettes as the bun. French toast was day old baguettes and phenomenal. Sometimes you just ate baguettes and saw people riding their mopeds with a bag of baguettes. It’s versatile and great.

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    In Brazil we have a small baguette called “French bread”! It’s very convenient and absolutely everywhere. And it tastes good, white bread in comparison tastes like nothing and has a shitty texture

    A pile of small baguettes

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      I believe those are called Petit Pain. And strongly agree, much better than standard white bread by a mile.

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        At first I was impressed it exists if France, but it’s kinda obvious. Now I’ve learnt that, for 20 years of my life, I believed a bullshit story about how hundreds of years ago people in Brazil couldn’t make baguette so they sold “French Bread”

        Btw, cute name for a pastry

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          So here in the UK they sell these fresh in Lidl: a cheap supermarket but it has an amazing bakery where they make these and other items.

          I often go to Lidl at lunchtime to buy two of these and something simple to fill them with into sandwiches, usually cheese and ham, (insert bland UK food joke here).

          My question for you, in the spirit of international culinary collaboration, what Brazilian fillings would you stuff one of these with to make a great sandwich?

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    Well, there’s a number of reasons for the shape of the various bread types. The dough type - from the kind of flour used, through the resting time, fermentation time, raising agent (let it be any of a variety of yeast products, wild yeast aka sourdough starter, baking powder or baking soda, there’s tons of options), how hydrated it is, and so on. The oven type and baking approach. The purpose of the bread.

    Your first picture is of a standard toast or sandwich bread. It’s supposed to be a fairly loose, soft bread with a soft crust and an engineered shape for easier baking - with conduction baking on all sides except the top (here conduction baking refers to the fact the sides and bottom of the bread is held in place by a heated metal tray, transferring heat directly without letting air or steam escape, resulting in the soft crust). A more industrial yeast type is used (usually dry or instant yeast), which result in relatively small gas bubbles, giving it a dense but fluffy interior. The flour is usually a light wheat flour, and both resting and fermentation times are low - that’s why it’s a more industrial bread, you mix the ingredients, let the mixture sit for 30-60 minutes then bake it, easily automated.

    The second picture is of a sourdough loaf. This usually uses wholemeal wheat flour, often mixed with rye or other grains for better texture, and is a fairly tedious bread to make with multiple stretch and fold sequences and long resting periods, allowing lots of gluten to form, which means every stretch and fold sequence doesn’t mix the dough but rather layers and shapes it. The yeast comes from a sourdough starter, and is allowed to ferment longer, which is why you get an intense flavour. It bakes quick in a Dutch oven first covered then uncovered, allowing it to fluff up but then shape a hard crust. You get much larger bubbles and an internal structure of long strands of gluten forming swirls and such.

    Then the baguette, it uses a different approach to sourdough but with a similar effect. Unlike sandwich bread, the dough for baguettes - as well as what I’d call “European medium bread” (medium here meaning the hardness and bakedness of the crust) - a crispy crust that isn’t as well baked as a sourdough, but also isn’t soft, with a well developed gluten structure, using more predictable yeasts (again usually instant quick yeast or dry yeast, or in some areas, live yeast cubes). Mind you the baguette you’re showing is more of a hypermarket style baguette that is intentionally baked to a lesser darkness, and traditional baguettes are more on the golden brown part of the scale.

    Overall, the kind of flour determines the flavour, but also the raising and resting times. Some flours (especially wholemeal or grain mix flours) need more time as the more complex proteins and sugars take more time to be broken down by the yeast thus they rise slower. Hydration determines how tough the dough is to shape (e.g. pasta is only hydrated by the eggs, making it a hard, dense dough, pizza needs to be flexible so it’s high hydration, and it gets extra raise in the oven as the water quickly evaporates). Yeast determines the flavour, the raising time, and in the final product, the texture and airiness. The baking method can fuck a lot with the texture. A regular convection oven can dry the crust out making it tough and thick, forming quickly and stopping the bread from rising, but adding some ice in a pan at the bottom can generate enough steam to let the bread rise properly by delaying the crust hardening. Same idea for sourdough using a Dutch oven, you create a high moisture environment, a steam box, to keep the crust soft while the bread rises, then remove it at the end so the crust can cripsen and brown. The sandwich bread is medium hydration thus it keeps the sides moist while they bake, giving it that brown but soft crust. If you were to plop the same dough just into the oven, without the baking shape, due to there being little to no gluten development, it would just fall apart and harden into the world’s shittiest giant cookie.

    But also you can bake bread in a Dutch oven over an open fire, giving a more rustic style bread with thick, chewy, but also cripsy crust. Toss the same dough with lower hydration into a circle and onto an upside down pan in the same fire and you got some awesome flatbread with a nice center air pocket you can open up and stuff with meat.

    Then, you can decide to just fuck it and add as much high fructose corn syrup as possible without fucking up the bread, and you get American style bread.

    • Allero@lemmy.today
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      Beautiful answer!

      A small point from someone working alongside bread industry - small bubbles in toast/sandwich bread are not due to the type of yeast used, but due to intentionally low time for second stage mixing and, as you mentioned, low time for resting and leavening. You can absolutely create huge bubbles using the very same yeast, though, if that’s your goal.

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        4 hours ago

        I’m not even a bread bro, I just happen to have ADHD and got a few hyperfocus sessions into sourdough 😭

        • StinkyFingerItchyBum@lemmy.ca
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          Uh,Sir?

          ADHD and got a few hyperfocus sessions into sourdough

          Is the nearly the verbatim senior qualification for certification from the charter. Section 2-14, p.12.

          Your certificate, membership card and lapel pin should be in the mail, but we haven’t fully caught-up from the Pandemic breadocalypse.

          Either way, welcome your High Breadbroness.

  • jdr@lemmy.ml
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    Because the dough was a different shape before baking.

    You can beat a baguette with a golf club, a truncheon, or even another baguette.

  • AFK BRB Chocolate (CA version)@lemmy.ca
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    The sandwich bread is mass produced, baked in racks of loaf pans, designed to give very consistent and convenient slices for making sandwiches.

    The second pic is the way many people prefer to bake a more rustic loaf. The dough is just placed on a flat sheet, so there’s much more crust, and it can just rise however it does. It’s less convenient for sandwiches.

    No baguettes aren’t used for sandwiches, they’re used to serve bread with the meal. If you’re eating dinner, you don’t really want a slice of sandwich bread, you want something more convenient to hold in your hand, dip in you pasta sauce, or whatever. Plus it has a higher ratio of crust to insides, which can be nice.

    Edit: I replied to someone who corrected me, but apparently baguettes are very much used for sandwiches, I’ve just never seen it. Apparently I’m an ignorant American.

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    One’s cooked in a pan, the other not.

    You can use baguettes in multiple ways like other breads, imagination is the limit.

    -Cut it on the bias (at an angle), toast and use to dip in soup or mop up sauce. I do this with onion soup to top it, buttered and sprinkled with a good melting cheese, place on top of soup in bowl and broil in oven until melted and browning.

    -Slice in half long ways, butter with a good garlic butter recipe, bake in oven until browned serve with spaghetti.

    -Once it’s old, stale and hard, cube it up (can do it fresh too) use as croutons for salads or grind it up for bread crumbs to cook with.

  • Sylvartas@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    6 hours ago

    Why do people buy baguettes?

    They taste amazing

    Do they make sandwiches with them? How do you even make a sandwich from them?

    Cut the baguette along the length. Cut in half. You now have 2 sandwiches

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    I amazed that you can not figure out how to use a baguette to make a sandwich. It’s not a fractal or a tesseract, it’s a long bit of bread.

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        What wasn’t nice? It’s clearly remarkable that making a sandwich from a baguette isn’t a task that requires any research, and also remarkable that you could have lived for any length of time as an adult and not seen a baguette with filling somewhere.