Imagine buying a hardware, and the manufacturer holds it hostage and can brick it anytime, or it can ban you from all online activities, unless you use it as intended.
It just happens that intended use also maximises profit for them.
Fuck Nintendo sideways.
I got one as a gift, but I’m not sure why they’re selling so well. I haven’t bought a single new game for it yet. There’s nothing I wanna play until maybe Metroid.
I’d just turn it off and keep it offline so that you’re on the lowest possible firmware for potential future exploits
Then 🏴☠️
From what I’ve been seeing in the Switch Hacking groups, you might be waiting a very long time. Nintendo has the kernel locked down very tight. I’m hoping that a vulnerability becomes exploitable but those that know more than I are less hopeful
Yea, it might be a wait. I picked up a launch unit just for the purpose of future exploits. I’m just leaving it sealed on a shelf, worst case, I can probably get back what I paid for it in a few years since sealed Nintendo stuff holds their value decently enough.
Like most other people seem to feel about, there’s just not enough of a pull for me to want to play it LMAO
Especially since I already haven’t played my fully modded Switch 1 in a few months as is xD
Smart!
Damn. The people who work at Nintendo truly are assholes. I’ll never buy a single product associated with these morally and creatively bankrupted people.
Fuck Nintendo
Yeah, literally nobody in my circle of gamer friends and acquaintances has any interest whatsoever in buying the new Switch. Not a single one. Not even the ones that were previously diehard Nintendo and Zelda fans.
Zero.
Crap like this is really underscoring why. Nintendo has ramped up their already user-hostile behavior far beyond the point of absurdity.
The happy-fluffy-starry-eyed wording in this article taking great pains to point out how “easy” it was for this person to have their fraudulent ban reversed are doing way too much heavy lifting. It never should have happened in the first place, and there shouldn’t even be any mechanism that makes it a remote possibility.
And then there’s this:
Nevertheless, it remains unclear whether they can still play with the used game cartridges they purchased, or if these are considered pirated copies that could result in another console ban if used.
Uh-huh. Miss me with every single molecule of that shit.
Holy crap that was a fast reply lol. The part where they were like “at least it’s not as bad as m$ and Sony” like bruh THEY SHOULDNT BE DOING THIS AT ALL
I was going to post this in the root of the comments but then I saw yours, so I copy-pasted it and attached it in the hopes that we can get a Fuck Nintendo train going.
This is significantly worse than anything I’ve experienced from Microsoft. I’ve never heard stories of consoles just getting bricked. I’m sure they exist, but it didn’t make the news from frequency. Consoles shouldn’t be bricked.
Just to clarify, the console wasn’t bricked, only banned from online use. Which also means banned from accessing eshop or downloading any updates. But physical games that doesn’t require online would work fine.
Not that this is fine, shouldn’t be banned for this either, but just clarifying the bricking part.
I wonder if a banned console could download a game from a game key card, because if it can’t, then there’s not much of a difference between a ban and a brick.
It can’t download a game from game key card.
Ah, I see. I’ve been hearing stories of them getting bricked as well. Unrelated, but controller drift problems were reported on day 2. I would like to recommend abstaining from the purchase of any Nintendo products for the forseeable future. Seems like they hate their customers and aren’t really willing to change, no matter what. Zelda and Mario are pretty cool, but I think that at this point, Nintendo is just running on nostalgia and brand recognition.
Do you have any sources for those bricked consoles you’ve heard of?
I’ve heard of a recent update to their ToS, where people have mentioned the possibility of Nintendo bricking consoles, but haven’t actually seen any examples.Excellent question. Apparently, after having looked into everything, they haven’t been bricking, just banning. As someone else said, it basically does the same thing for most people, as you can’t get updates or access the store. Another person said that the keycards don’t work either. Honestly, I don’t really care if half of the unproven stuff is untrue. The $80 games were the first thing to piss me off.
Heaven forfend we want the little pieces of plastic and silicon to have a life after we get bored of them.
I do wonder what a more permanent solution for these sorts of situations could be, as right now these things are case by case. Either Nintendo tolerates the use of cloned cartridge IDs (which is something no game company/publisher/whatever have you would ever accept), or they bring down the ban hammer on random people who just bought a used game and had no idea it was used for copying (which is just a dick move). Nobody buying a used game is going to have any real idea where it came from, and in a lot of used stores the carts probably get mixed around anyway. Having any sort of checker for cloned IDs would also be difficult, as Nintendo’s systems probably only catch it when both are in use at the same time. Perhaps they could use some system to look for MIG Switch use specifically, and only block that cartridge? That would probably be the best way to go about it, but I’m not so sure about the technical details that would make such a thing work, as it would require some reverse engineering of the MIG Switch.
EDIT: I do think as well this article is too generous to Nintendo. The writer focuses on how easy it was to get unbanned, rather than the ban in the first place. Nintendo should at least start sending an email warning or something before deciding to block online. That would give people a change to figure out what is going on, instead of waking up one day to find they can’t access the eShop or GameChat.
I have a foolproof way to never get banned on switch 2.
- Don’t buy a switch 2.
Same would and did happen on Switch 1 though
I have revised my foolproof plan.
- Don’t buy Nintendo shit.
There’s a darker solution, which is what nintendo would love more: kill the second hand market.
And these moves might very well do it. If news spread and people start getting scared of buying a used game, second hand sales will drop and eventually die. Something that can only benefit nintendo.
Don’t give them any more ideas! No, but actually, this might be an unfortunate consequence of this whole thing. Locking it to a console would get rid of MIG Switch, but at the cost of killing a big used game industry. I think they wouldn’t try it, due to the sheer amount of blowback they would get (far beyond anything else they’ve done before), but we never know.
Some claim “unfortunate consequence”, for others and probably the correct interpretation"working as intended". The fact that some believe oterwise is naive.
Would they really? I mean, the way I see it, they are pushing for the all digital market more and more. It’s really in their best interest to kill a market that gives no money to them.
Besides, they don’t need to outright kill it, just spread the fear of bans if you buy used. Enough to indirectly kill the market by making people believe buying used is dangerous.
You have a good point. As long as that fear is in the used games market, people will be incentivised to only buy new cartridges (if not digital) as they can’t trust any used ones. The only sales then would be between people who know each other and are swapping their games, which is a far smaller market. It is somewhat ironic that the MIG Switch, a device made by people who have nothing to do with Nintendo, might end up helping Nintendo revenues by making it so that nobody can trust that used games weren’t cloned.
Either Nintendo tolerates the use of cloned cartridge IDs (which is something no game company/publisher/whatever have you would ever accept
Define “accept”. Do you mean “like” or “not go out of their way to harass their customers”? Or something else?
As in they would never allow that to happen under any circumstances. Companies are already clamping down on other platforms due to piracy (just look at how many Steam games have Denuvo in addition to the Steam DRM, Steam’s protections get cracked fairly easily nowadays), so not surprising Nintendo want to nip any copying problems in the bud before shit hits the fan.
You just contradicted yourself. Steam accepts it. They just don’t want to actively enable it, so they have the kind of DRM that prevents using copied game files.
It is extremely unlikely that Steam are accepting of piracy. They may be negligent (maybe not investing enough into copy protection), but being even somewhat accepting would immediately tarnish their reputation with game publishers. Denuvo seems like more of a quick fix, not a real solution, that was put on after publishers started to lose patience. Even for their own self interest, they would be losing money on their own published games.
Seems we have different definitions of accept in our minds.
Nintendo is going to die a slow painful death bcz of shit like this. I dont know a single person who wants a switch 2.
I’m far from a fanboy, but it’s literally the fastest selling console of all time.
Constantly sold out here in Japan. Even the discounted Japan-only version that was meant to stop foreign purchase and resale with more restrictions such as Japanese-language-only
Yeah but Japan is filled with dirty filthy console peasants so I’m not surprised one bit. Even the Saturn sold well there.
The Sega Saturn was the bomb. Granted I was 5, but still loved it.
If you don’t know anyone, could you point me to a store that has them in stock?
I’d look, but i dont want a switch 2. Yes, I get it, its a sold out console right now…
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Imagine if this happened to a child, or someone who’s got no knowledge about the topic. Your 600$ birthday gift will just rest in piss, because you bought a game someone had cloned previously, and there’s 0 way to know about it, until you’re already banned
Yeah, nobody buying used games will know that it was previously used for cloning. Hopefully they ease off on the bans until they can figure out a better idea on how to deal with MIG Switch.
There shouldn’t need to be a better way. There are lots of places where using a MIG cart is legal to download games you have already purchased from the physical cartridge.
It’s bullshit that they have somehow normalized the idea that they have the right to do this to paying customers in the first place.
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That’s interesting because I rarely use my steam deck because of my switch 1 and 2. Seems like this is almost… Hmmm… Personal preference. Something like that
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You know you’re comparing steam deck (2022) to an 8 year old console that’s about 2 times smaller and has better battery life, right? Also Cyberpunk 2077 is way better on switch 2.
Do you really buy Nintendo consoles for something other than first party Nintendo games? Why?
I just had an interesting exchange with a nintendrone about this topic. Apparently, nintendo did the right thing because the guy who bought the game shouldn’t go buying from shady people and, even if it was a store, then, the store is at fault (and not Nintendo), because the store should test the games they buy to guarantee that they won’t cause a ban.
But in no way was Nintendo at fault for treating their customers as guilty until proven innocent.
I’ve been enjoying PC games a lot even though I have a Switch 1. I might even repurchase Balatro on Steam.
Like Terraria is hell on Switch, so I’ve already eaten that cost so why not for the other 3rd-party games I have?
I’ve stated repurchasing my Switch games on Steam (when rebates apply)
My switch games were all digital copies except for Zelda and Sea of Stars. I don’t know if they’ll even be available in the future should I accidentally delete them.
Eventually I might mod my Switch when it’s not supported anymore by Nintendo and it doesn’t connect to their network anymore.
Unless the game is delisted, which happens very rarely, or they shutdown Switch 1 eshop, which shouldn’t happen for quite a while, I don’t think there’s any reason why you won’t be able to download them again.
Of course if you are using modded Switch, that’s another issue.
Eventually it will be shut down. And if they just released the Switch 2, it means it’s coming soon.
The problem is that someday they’ll shut down the eShop.
