Seems the OOP is fake. I just checked through the Wikipedia page and can’t find where it says that
I have a plan for fixing things.
We all just cum into the ocean, every day, so much cum. Problem solved.
But it’s what makes the FediVerse fun
The mistake here is misunderstanding “fediverse” as one place.
It is multiple places, where not all of them are connected to all of the others.
Calling “the fediverse” a den of iniquity is like calling WWW the same thing. Are there awful fucking places on the open web? Absolutely, but that doesn’t make all of it awful.
The fuck is a den of iniquity? Stop throwing big words at me nerd.
den of iniquity noun phrase
a place where immoral or illegal things are done
Where can I get my immoral or illegal things?
I suspect most of those are in mastodon instances
Maybe those adjectives don’t fit most stuff in the community, but you can definitely buy here …things : [email protected]
Has any deal on that community actually gone through?
“THAT SENTENCE HAS TOO MANY WORDS IN IT. APOLOGIZE!” – Mr. Torgue
Wasn’t there a post here a while back about how half the people here are only here because they were too toxic to be anywhere else? If I’m not remembering wrong, I feel like that post could be relevant.
Anyway, I read the entry from the original post and it’s not entirely wrong, thought it definitely depends on the instance you use. Still, some of it is pretty damning for the concept as a whole. Hopefully some standard health/safety features become the norm.
There have been MANY such posts. Here’s one of them: https://dubvee.org/post/dubvee.org/3334313. Here’s another. And another - seriously there are whole entire communities dedicated to just the tankie subtopic underneath the wider one of toxicity as a whole, such as [email protected].
The non fediverse reddit clones were VERRY tocic. But we are not.
There are definitely fediverse instances that are toxic. An average fediverse user won’t see them because most of the big instances have defederated those toxic instances.
Not true: Lemm.ee famously did not defederate from most instances including hexbear.net, and likewise take a look at how short the blocklist is on Lemmy.zip. And mander.xyz only blocks Threads and literally nothing else (at least, not at the entire instance level where it would show up in their blocklist).
Exploding-heads was defederated from almost everywhere, but also it imploded all on its own independently (tbf, after the waves of defederations).
Anyway, Lemm.ee was pretty huge - wasn’t it the #2 instance after lemmy.world? - and lemmy.zip is fairly large as well.
See: Hexbear, Lemmygrad, Explodingheads, etc.
Source: myself
I can’t speak to where that user has been, but I’ve browsed and used a few of them that exist and they have troubled histories.
This is true of many reddit alternatives unfortunately. A large portion of the first-wave are going to include a lot people banned from everywhere else.
In fairness, the biggest single wave of new users here game from the Reddit API change killing 3rd party apps two years ago. Though unsure how many stuck around from then, but at least there was a large group of people coming here voluntarily rather than ban evading.
yup, don’t need to be banned by reddit (although I’m sure I would have been by now), just have to have some goddamned principles.
I’m in that group, so there’s at least 1 that stuck around
Still here! Have never been banned, not so much as received a warning from anywhere. I’m sure there’s a silent majority of us who look at some the toxicity on here like 👀
I’m still here, three accounts deep now.
Yeah I was speaking generally, not specifically to the Fediverse. I don’t really observe it as uniquely worse than Reddit at all.
I tried two reddit alternatives before I came to the Fediverse, and unfortunately there were amongst the intake - a lot of maladaptives.
That was the first big wave, but lemmy was already somewhat active. Previously lemmy was used by the tankies. Hexbear also existed before the api migration, their sub was banned from reddit previously.
I used to have an account on raddle, a similar alternative, the 2 biggest sub there were about anarchism and shoplifting.
Hexbear also existed before the api migration, their sub was banned from reddit previously.
Didn’t they originate from r/ChapoTrapHouse? They got banned multiple times, much like r/T_D
half the people here are only here because they were too toxic to be anywhere else?
This is an obvious generalization that is in no way verifiable with any level of quality, right? This is that classic bias from loudest most visible nuisances(not the correct name for it, but I feel it’s good enough)
At the end of the day, toxic users are the way they are due to a relationship with attention. So long as we are the little guy who’s focused on interest-driven communities, toxic users will not feel welcome here by default.
I feel like that’s more true for other reddit / social media alternatives as there’s no “pull” factors. They’re often set up just like reddit as a for profit centralized platform, so the only reason you’d join is if you got pushed off the main platform, ie trump going to truth social after he got banned.
Lemmy and the fediverse offer pull factors in that it is decentralized, open source, and not for profit usually run by hobbyists, which appeals to Linux nerds, anarchists, socialists, communists etc. Who may be pulled to the platform even if they haven’t been kicked off the main central platform.
Piefed hours
Looking at instances such as Hexbear and lemmygrad.ml… are they wrong though? And many other instances have given Hexbear a platform to promote and host i.e. spread their content across the wide Fediverse.
We are a tankie bar, plain and simple. Yes you can block it, but most instances have not historically gone very far in that regard, from the perspective of a new Reddit refugee, e.g. a centrist, religious, American who may not like what is going on but also is put off by calls for things such as outright murder.
If we want to expand, we need to get better at labeling the spaces so as to make people with a wider (aka more diverse) set of backgrounds comfortable here. We won’t though, instead preferring to simply claim that everything that “in-group” says is correct (and often not allowed to be questioned, though mod & admin tolerances varies wildly) and everything that “out-group” says is 100% wrong and everyone is “stupid” for believing such.
Lemmy was literally created by two ML (not machine Learning) programmers and people are acting like communists are the ones who invaded this space. 😂
My only issue with this is that a ‘centrist, religious, american’ is never going to put the necessary effort to even gaze outside the labyrinth of walled-gardens. So you’re hoping to cater to the very demographic that is the last to ever find visibility of such a platform
Edit: Install Gentoo
It’s fine if they never come here… but in that case can we be surprised when they lack an understanding of how it works and, seeing e.g. [email protected], Lemmygrad.ml, perhaps even places that pretty much every respectable instance owner defederates from, then calls this place a horrid cesspool of toxicity?
That’s also what people call us on r/Redditalternatives btw. Look up the tankie associations with the very name of Lemmy itself - not the software, but the actual name.
Or if we don’t care about people coming here, or anyone else’s opinion (especially uninformed), then why does this post exist in the first place? So perhaps we do care then, even if only a little?
I just wanted us to push ourselves to be more self reflective and honest about who we are. Whatever that ends up meaning, I don’t even fully know.
We are a den of iniquity. I wish Blahaj would defederate lemmy.ml.
lmao
Which linux distro do you use?
Not Arch. Oh no, I am now banned from Lemmy, aren’t I!?:-P
I use Mint, btw.
Also that’s kind of the point, anyone can host an instance, and those who pay for or maintain their own servers make the rules. That includes who they federate with. Those who are willing to host and maintain an instance tend to more active in social discussion, whether being a refuge for a social group (blahaj.zone for my example), a school of thought on any segment of the political spectrum, or just to host anything without questions.
Given the current atmosphere of hostility for members of my community’s group, I am… quite apathetic towards your calls for us to “allow questioning” for things such as our rights to exist with a society respecting of our presence or self-defense.
This is not exclusively a circumstance for more leftist communities, by the way. Conservative platforms have similar inclinations to work with each other (alongside plagiarizing ActivityPub software work, such as Mastodon https://www.vice.com/en/article/truth-social-is-mastodon-trump/ )
TL;DR: make your own instance and federate how you would like with your userbase. Or find an instance that already shares your POV and has federated similarly. Or just use the block feature?
“allow questioning” for things such as our rights to exist with a society respecting of our presence or self-defense.
I never said anything even remotely similar to that, but I suppose how I can you see that as a logical next step. Where I was coming from was rather: if you consider yourself to be in kinship with Hexbear bc of the trans connection then in that case I completely understand your response, and just as readily disagree with it. Fwiw, Ada would as well, I am pretty sure?
The topic under discussion was toxicity, which Hexbear outright revels in at whereas Blåhaj Lemmy I thought was a beacon of shining hope to weed out such and create a truly welcoming atmosphere? (in regards to LGBTQIA+ lifestyle) Lumping the two together would be like saying that you must be best buddies with Donald Trump if you are a man (you = anyone here, non-specifically). Just as there is more than one way to live life, there are more than two sides to every logical position. I think there might be ways for people to co-exist, without Blåhaj Lemmy having to put up with any crap, and vice versa if conservatives wanted to not see that you exist. But seriously, if you are not aware, that’s not what [email protected] is all about - that is only what they claim to be, which is what we might call an “alternative fact”.
Thank you for your politeness even if we did disagree (which I am not certain that we did actually:-).
Fwiw I was not necessarily saying that we MUST or even that we SHOULD welcome mainstream normies here - I do happen to think that, but I have long since given up any hope that it will ever happen. So rather my position here was that we should be honest about what is present vs. not found anywhere in the Fediverse. We do have toxicity here. Even if you think that I personally am the chief source of it… then that still would show that such exists, no? As you open your eyes, perhaps to places best left hidden (and many of which fortunately your instance has already defederated from), you will see that it is quite common. This is a sad fact, but a true one.
if you consider yourself to be in kinship with Hexbear bc of the trans connection then in that case I completely understand your response, and just as readily disagree with it. Fwiw, Ada would as well, I am pretty sure?
Ada thinks Hexbear is a trans instance and it’s rly rly weird. Any time I talk to those guys I think they’re gonna call me a slur
Based on user polling they’re over half non-cis, most of the moderation team is trans. In the broader Lemmy its way more likely I get misgendered or called a degenerate roach.
it really sucks that the largest trans communities aren’t federated.
I really resent the cis people showing up to spread obvious lies. it was hexbear that first defedded blahaj because of the toxic behavior primarily from the 196 mods.
I’m rly glad Hexbear defederated Blahaj because I just don’t have the bandwidth to deal with those people most of the time. I always feel unsafe around them as a trans woman, and it’s not just the mansplaining and the pig poop balls
I always feel unsafe around them as a trans woman
can you elaborate, because as a trans woman I’ve not felt unsafe at all.
Any time I said something they disagreed with on a shared community, I got dogpiled with “um, ackshually” style responses or even called a CIA agent. It felt like a hostile and unforgiving place, where I had to measure up to their standards or I’d just be punished. It was easy to feel like I’d be called a slur if I said something about my experiences as a woman they didn’t like. I stayed quiet about that sort of stuff when I saw them in a thread because I didn’t feel like I could be open, I stuck to things that were less personal to me.
It was easy to feel like I’d be called a slur if I said something about my experiences as a woman they didn’t like.
Weird, because they ban people for that. I’ve been called plenty of hostile shit voicing my experiences as a trans woman in shared lemmy spaces too, and it’s not from hexbear users.
