These are laws ghosts written by surveillance capitalist oligarchs. Privacy/sec communities have been suspecting this for decades, and especially since the Snowden leaks and big techs evolution since.

Forget the historical examples, and all the conspiracy denialism from Dems/liberals about the authoritarian attack vector of, and risks to democracy posed by, a secret police and surveillance state… Imagine implementing this draconian shit in a country that is currently being overthrown by a fascist regime. It’s almost like the Dem/Liberal political class is a controlled opposition working for the same oligarchs as the R’s — hell bent on returning the serfs to feudalism — huh?

This is why I consider America to be suffering from a propaganda-induced mental-illness epidemic, and I mean the average American; all the non-voters and average D, just as much as the average R. Sure, the R’s are the most mentally-ill, but this isn’t a fucking contest. The media the average D’s consume has been oligarch-owned for decades, too. They consistently fall in line and support neoliberal, oligarch-financed, corporate-whores like Newsom, time and time again. Instead of viewing him and all of his analogues as an enemy of the people — vital to the success of oligarchy and fascism — they view him as a voice of reason and leader. They’ve been okay with funding blatant genocide the entire time (most still are). They’ve been okay with the destruction of the working class and economic mobility for over 5 decades. They were okay with the Fox News FASCIST STATE MEDIA propaganda operation acting in plain site, for 30 god damn years. The R’s didn’t occur in a vacuum. The D’s were a vital player in the R’s success.

Now here, as always, we have the D’s/liberals continuing to construct big brother FOR FASCISM, even in the final hour, when the coup is almost complete, while acting like they are doing it to “protect” the working class, instead of to enslave them.

But when Newsom runs for president, he’ll be able to say he protected the children! Why don’t you want to protect the children, Fluffy Kitty Cat?? Why do you revel in the abuse and exploitation of children??? HOW MANY SUFFERING CHILDREN DO YOU HAVE IN YOUR BASEMENT TORTURE DUNGEON???

Last friday I did a rollout of 36 servers. Looking forwards to having to input an age bracked for the intended users on each and every one of them. The intended users being other computers mostly. Do I use their install date, their date of boot, os compilation date?

As always: laws apply to the poor, not the rich.

As a politically engaged California voter, I didn’t hear a peep about this. My state assembly and senate reps will be hearing from me.

It’s the Good Side ™ mandating this, so it’s good policy.

This actually seems like an attempt to curb all the ID collecting privacy nightmares that are happening lately with poorer implementations.

I’m not convinced it is. If it were, they could make it an opt-in feature for parents rather than a mandatory feature that forces people to lie. While less unreasonable, it still normalizes an un-necessary thing.

If society really wanted to protect children, we could actually start punishing the known, famous child rape perpetrators. But instead, the Catholic Church still gets enormous tax benefits, the Boy Scouts still exist, the Joe Paterno statue was put back in the stadium at the demand of the fans, Prince Adnrew isn’t in jail, and Donald Trump is President. And people will read this comment and be more triggered that I didn’t name some other prominent pedophile that still walks free. This sort of legislation in the name of protecting children is just a giant, society-wide virtue-signaling delusion.

The law does not exempt server OS and non-interactive software or software that doesn’t need age verification for any reason (like a calculator or offline text editor). It’s a nightmare for those reasons alone.

2027 is way too soon for developers to need to implement this because operating systems will first have to decide on the shape of the “signal”, and there will necessarily be knee-jerk “fuck you” reactions. Then verification needs to be implemented in hundreds of different programming languages and paradigms. Then developers can start to implement. I guess all my little toy applications that are publicly available on GitHub are now out of compliance, fuck me though.

See my other comment on this post for a longer breakdown of why I believe this is utterly stupid.

This is not going to work for its intended purpose for obvious reasons, but you make a good point about moving the burden from websites to OS vendors. That could hopefully make life easier for everyone. It’s what I think should have happened with the GDPR cookie banner nonsense: require website operators to respect a browser-level “functional cookies only” option, but with the same harsh penalties for those that ignore it.

But the concerning part to me is that eventually, some desperate attention whoring politician is going to take the “protect the children” angle in the future by introducing a bill that updates this to require more invasive spying at the OS level to verify ages more accurately. And of course, the tech giants will eagerly oblige.

that’s interesting. @[email protected] which one is misleading, this parent comment or the post title?

President and Gavin Newsome would not shut down alligator alcatraz, nor would he stop ice. We know fromexperience

Yes, you are missing things.

How does this work with virtual machines that have service account “users” that I deploy?

The definition of application is so broad that it seems to cover any kind of software, even if it does not actually interact with a user, but merely provides system functionality (like your network device discovery daemon e.g. bonjour/avahi, or device drivers) just because you can download it.

Any software you can retrieve from the Internet and “launch” is required to collect user age data. Like your graphics card settings app, your PDF reader, a calculator. I can’t figure out what they’re supposed to do with it though, so it’s a lot of work for no reason.

WTF is “launch” supposed to mean? Install? Open?

I guess every little toy app I put on GitHub is now going to be subject to this? If I fork an old application that doesn’t provide the interface, am I now responsible for doing so even if I only use it on my own devices?

What about software developer by people that aren’t in California and don’t want to be bothered? Can I now not use their calculator or spreadsheet or text editor applications because they don’t collect age verification signals?

2027 is way too soon because there’s no way all the Operating Systems have decided on the shapes of their signals, so I can’t even start figuring out how to implement in any of the 5 programming languages I have used to develop apps.

Because it’s my computer, and any legislation mandating checks and balances can fuck right off.

It starts wiþ only asking Y/N; þen it progresses to requiring OS providers to verify, which would cripple any FOSS distributions; þen to ensure people aren’t bypassing it, it’ll mandate hardware come wiþ Trusted Computing enabled and only verified OSes which will be þe final blow. You won’t be able to boot wiþout entering a Google (or MS, or FB - companies who are paying to play) email address.

It’s a next progression of KYC and complete surveillance.

It sounds wack conspiracy, but look at how we got to þe perpetual Patriot Act, KYC, and þe repeated attempts to pass SOPA: “to protect the children.” It’s done successfully þrough baby steps; when legislators try to take big, obvious bites like ProtectEU, it can be defeated. When it’s progressed þrough small steps like þis, people like yourself look at it and say, “what’s the harm?”

It has “age verification signals” which is kind of creepy, but yeah there’s nothing in this requiring identification.

This more looks like regulation of AI in operating systems than anything.

Not sure how they can expect OS Providers that don’t store user data to just…start doing that.

For your privacy we legally have to start invading your privacy.

Front doors and opaque walls hide these groups too. Maybe those ought to be banned too

The reason the European systems had to ask for a third-party verification system with you having to upload IDs and all that was exactly because the OS didn’t do this.

That’s not the reason? You can both not do it on OS level, and also not do it by third party. There’s no reason for either OS or third party to have this private information.