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Every single assisted living facility in the United States would do the same thing. They are businesses designed to strip every last bit of wealth before we die, they do not give a shit about their
residentscustomers.Yeah but have you ever tried to care for aging parents outside of a retirement community, sucks all your time, money, and energy leaving nothing else for the rest of your family. End of life care is a great place to extract wealth if you’re heartless. People are their most scared and vulnerable, they’ll pay anything to feel normal for just a little while longer
Yes, my mother has advanced Parkinson’s and I was her primary caretaker for years before we finally had to move her into assisted living. I know very well how ill-equipped our society is for elder care.
People always talk about how it takes a village to raise a child, but we rarely talk about the village required to care for our elders.
Personally, I would rather kill myself than end up in a facility like my mom is in.
are you “there yet”, America?
It’s funny how the person commenting is still saying unable to work as an argument. In what word a 93 able to work should be expected to… work?
I think they mean it more in the sense of “this lack of money at 93 is not the fault of the individual as there is no means for them to continue to bring in income” not "put her in the mines’
“refusing to leave”
Where, specifically, did they expect her to go? Being thrown out on the streets at 93 is effectively a death sentence.
not being able to work is a death sentence in America
Reminder that socialist countries like Cuba or the USSR have historically de jure and de facto guaranteed employment, with worse economic conditions and over a half century ago. Unemployment is a capitalist construct and we can do better than that.
guess the freedom in america is the “works makes you free” variety
I saw that sentence somewhere in German.
The cruelty is the point
of course its florida. eventually florida will be evicted by the ocean,
The exact same thing would happen in California. Assisted living facility owners are crooks.
My grandad was told he’d have to give back his electric wheelchair due to some change in insurance.
He was like “let me know what day, so I can have the news here as your tip a 100 year old ww2 veteran out of his wheelchair”
They let him keep the chair.
I bet the people were like “smart alec”
I’m like “you go grandpa show them who’s boss”
i don’t know even what insult i wanna use for those people. those are horrible people
Horrible “people”.
State spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to chase a nonagenarian out of her home over a four figure rent check.
All so some landlord can afford another wing on the McMansion
mcmansion is crazy
“Hundreds of thousands of dollars” dude, absurd exaggeration doesn’t help anyone. an eviction requires a single non-emergency callout, which in flordia costs around $2500 (evictions are usually categorized as property crime)
Legal filings are covered by the landlord and are significantly more expensive (numbers I am seeing for florida are hovering around $5000, but like all things legal it varies wildly). This was disgusting, but the state isn’t paying out orders of magnitude more than the loss just to protect some random landlord.
Yeah it is. It’s going to cost between 20 and 30k a year to keep her in a prison, and tax payers will have to pay for her medical treatment as well
She’s 90 years old, it’s a safe conclusion that the taxpayer was already paying for her medical care via medicare and she was already released (from jail) and the charges were dropped (as has been pointed out elsewhere in this thread). The original comment just made up the cost to farm outrage, and it’s fucking ridiculous they felt the need to do that on a post about a 90 year old being evicted.
I know it’s rough to see propaganda you agree with called out, but that’s what’s happening here. That people are reacting as though I’m devaluing or excusing this travesty, I’m not, is the reason I’m doing it - even propaganda you agree with poisons the discussion. Hell, to my eye the cost to throw an ancient woman out of her housing being so incredibly cheap should really make this story all the more disgusting, as it highlights how cheap human suffering really is.
Completely off topic, but had to look up what a nonagenarian is, and what a useless word. Who decided we needed such a long word to say “in their 90s”
Completely off topic, but had to look up what a teenager is, and what a useless word. Who decided we needed such a long word to say “in their teens”
who’s in their teens here don’t you have to be 18+??? (I don’t really think 18 or 19 year olds to be in their teens)
“Who decided” – like most word constructions, it probably wasn’t consciously decided upon by a single person but rather evolved out of existing phrases.
In this case, the Latin root nona- for ninth was extended with the -gin- / -gen- infix used for multiples of ten (viginti = 20, triginta = 30 and so on) to form the root nonaginti / nonageni for ninety / “per ninety”. The infix -ari- indicates an adjective/description (nonagenarius = “having ninety”), with the suffix -an indicating a representative noun.
Together, nonagenarian refers to “someone with ninety of something” as a logical composition of existing language elements, all of which you’ll find elsewhere too. It will probably have evolved naturally by people slapping on parts to describe something and others picking it up because it made sense. From there, it made its way into English as Latin words tend to.
If anything, we ought to appreciate that the “years” part of that composition is omitted, lest we would need to include something related to anni, maybe nonagenanniarian which would be even longer and more complex.
As to why people use it: Sometimes, a single descriptive noun or adjective is less ambiguous that multi-word structures. Sometimes, people want to mix up how they refer to things and use different words. Sometimes, people just want to sound erudite.
And sometimes, people pick up speech habits without much thinking about it, because they’re used to people understanding it. You didn’t, but congratulations: you learned a new word!
No one made it up explicitly, it just follows the formula for the rest of the decade age words like octagenarian
Octagenarian, what a useless word. Let me know when you start looking at the sexagenarians. Oh baby!
The Romans did or at least they created the base word structures. Primus, secundus, tertius, quartus, et cetera could all be compounded with the suffix genarian to create an age bracket specific word. For example I am a secundagenarian.
You got a problem with it? What are you, some kind of trenagenarian?
Money is a stupid concept
How do you even live with yourself if you’ve been a part of those proceedings?
How they live with themselves:
I’d bet you hear a variation of, “just following orders.”
Delusion
More to that story… Turns out charges were dropped within days.
Notice the part where she said she stopped paying rent because she thought she was going to die, and later when she was offered money, said she didn’t need it and would likely give away the donations and just wanted her bible…
Hmmm.
Always look up the stories behind the memes. They might not really be about what you think they are.
Notice the part where she said she stopped paying rent because she thought she was going to die, and later when she was offered money, said she didn’t need it and would likely give away the donations and just wanted her bible…
Damn you know what, in that case she totally deserved it.
Like who fucking cares? Why do you even think that’s something important to mention?
It means the disaster was self imposed, not forced by the system.
Like a 94 old person isn’t quite there any more and doesn’t know how to deal with labyrinthine bureaucratic processes?
There’s a bunch of articles with conflicting details. It does look like the facility tried a few different avenues before evicting her, but I haven’t seen a report mentioning involvement from a healthcare professional trained to handle situations like this. Every article does make it sound like that’s exactly what she needed though. It’s also entirely possible that when she said she thought she was going to die soon, she was referring to the potential mold issue she had been complaining about. I don’t think the article you linked mentions anything about that. I could be wrong though since I read a few.
There’s also this quote from another article:
Ms Fitzgerald, who was interviewed in jail while dressed in an orange jumpsuit, tearfully refuted the claims. Asked about why she would not pay the rent, the woman, who was handcuffed and appeared to have bruises up her arms, said of a housing facility employee: “She wouldn’t take it, that woman blamed me for the mould.” She added: “I paid my September rent and when she decided she was going to put me out, she wouldn’t accept any rent after that.”
The truth is probably somewhere between the two accounts. But honestly, that’s beside the point. Even if the living facility’s version was completely accurate, a 93 year old woman should not have ended up bruised and dragged out of her home by police just because she withheld rent for two months and refused to follow an order to vacate. Full stop.
Oh, I don’t disagree with you on that. She did apparently find permanent housing and I looked all over the place for later news on her like an obit or anything, actually… so I can only assume she’s still kicking somewhere and is now 100.
You added absolutely nothing of relevance to the story.
People who aren’t around 90 year olds expect they are as keen as the 90 year olds on TV.
At 90 there is always some dementia. He is treating this like it is some thought out plan instead of confusion.
I’ve known multiple 90+ year olds that were cognitively very capable, not at their peak certainly but to say everyone gets dementia is wrong.
Dementia is not just a small cognitive decline.
She said “Bible” so she’s religious, ergo bad.
Throw her to the wolves!
They must be catering to that huge “atheist but not socialist” demographic on Lemmy.
Secular libertarians somehow manage to be worse than religious ones
This story is very confusing, and I can only assume it’s not as cut and dry as this screenshot of a tweet would have us believe. Being evicted because you can’t pay your rent and being evicted because you decided to stop paying your rent are genuinely two different things
“Ackchually, I don’t know the details, so maybe they were right to evict an ancient woman”
I honestly could not care less why she stopped paying
You can play the centrist, but only if you throw away your morals. Even if she’s refusing to pay rent, it’s still simply appalling to throw her out. File a civil suit and collect the money in court or from her estate or something. After all, she’s 93. If you throw her out, she will probably die. It really is that simple… Or maybe you have different values. I hope not, but some people really are that cruel.
It’s impossible to make a moral argument with so little information. Again, we’re presented here with a screenshot of a tweet. We have no idea what actually transpired here
We have no idea what actually transpired here, but there’s no viable chain of events that would make it acceptable to evict a 93 years old. Full stop.
There is no situation where this is okay. I’m sorry you have to be told this.
It’s easy to take a black and white stance like “this is never okay,” but reality is never that clear cut. What if she was exhibiting behaviors that put other residents at risk? Should the long term care facility just put up with her and risk the safety of other residents, or should they take steps to remove her? This is just one of many possibilities that are not black and white. Again, we have literally no info to go off of, and we won’t because this woman’s situation is protected health information.
You mean we have absolutely zero information in a situation where we’re responding to a post that literally gives us some information?
If you want to speculate about theoretical violent old women, I guess you can. But even then, let’s roll with it. So apparently you’re saying it’s possible that she’s violent and if so then it would be reasonable of them to throw her to the curb. So you think it’s okay if they throw her out to die, in that hypothetical. That’s your values. And I’m happy to say that I don’t mirror them.
theoretical violent old women
My wife worked in the memory care section of a assisted living facility. She quit primarily because the sheer amount of physical abuse from the residents was taking its toll on her health and she was pregnant at that time so it was risking more than just her own life. Many people become violent once dementia starts setting in. Since they no longer have the mental faculties to handle the situation they lash out and they don’t hold back. Some of these folks are surprisingly strong despite being in their 80s/90s/100s and in their heads they think they’re fighting for their life, when in reality they’re just refusing to take their twice daily heart medication for example, or refusing to let the nurse plug them in for their thrice weekly dialysis (which is extremely deadly if any dialysis sessions are missed)
Ok, let’s roll with it then. What would be your solution in this hypothetical situation that avoids removing her from the premises?
Not the other person you’re talking to, but let me take a stab.
First off, I want to point out that you ask your question as if it’s difficult to answer, but it’s not. If the issue really is violence, the first thing that pops into my mind is bringing in specialists that can treat or rehabilitate her, to make her safer for herself and the other residents. Failing that, they could move her to a different facility better equipped to handle violent 93 year olds. If the issue is just that she’s refusing to pay but has the money, file a civil suit and have the rent taken out of her estate. If the issue is that she has no money, help her start a go fund me or whatever, so she can raise the money. Better yet, find ways to reduce or waive her rent so they she can continue to live there for free.
At no point should they consider making a 93 year old with possible mental health issues fucking homeless, and it’s concerning that you’re implying that that’s the only option.
So, do we know whether she voted capitalist or socialist while she could?
