Such smol govment
Failed business man telling people how to run their businesses. I’ve got an idea about how to make American manufacturing cheaper universal healthcare.
It is paid by consumers, not Apple. Other phone companies will raise prices as well to increase their profits, since iPhone prices will set a new high price.
This is actually a real socialist or even communist policy. The State controlling the businesses.
It is authoritarian. Communist system devolve to authoritarianism because it is a natural progression (easy to do). Socialists can, but a good democratic political structure makes it harder.
Don’t tell all the tankies.
Killing Biden’s CHIPs act certainly didn’t help that cause.
He will kill and reinatate it to sell it as his oqn doing.
Obviously guided by his counselers and consultants.Oh, like NAFTA!
Tim Apple could just buy him a fucking plane and be done with it. And that would open up some interesting opportunities, nahmean?
It’s what I’d do if I were an ambitious, resource hoarding, ass pimple billionaire.
It’s obvious the way to Trump’s heart is to tell him he’s pretty and give him something .
It would take MINIMUM 10 years to even come close to like 60% manufactured in US. And that’s assuming the US upends the entire global tech industry by coming even kind of close to TSMC’s chip manufacturing tech.
Good news on the latter front, actually: https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/tsmc-expands-investments-in-the-u-s-to-usd165-billion-with-new-fabs-and-r-and-d-center-a-closer-look
You can know the impact of what building in the US would be by looking at Purism. They sell a Linux phone for $800. If you want the same phone built in the US, they charge $2000.
It really depends on what Trump means by " built in the US". It won’t be that big of a jump if Apple is just assembling them there. If every component has to come from the US it’s likely impossible.
Apple is vertically integrated in a way many companies are not. It would be bad for them for sure but they already have really high profit margins. They could eat the cost and assemble in the US, but they won’t because they are already a velban good.
I see the problem here. He’s talking to Tim Cook, who’s CEO of some cooking company. He needs to talk to Tim Apple.
I want to elect Pine for the next CEO
He’s actually cooking apple pies. Or is it called baking? Is it Tim Bake?
Looks like Apple is balking at paying the required bribe.
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Who does he think he’s talking to?
His subordinates, who else?
Tarriffs are an articulable cost that can be direclt passed on to the consumer. Income taxes would be something more manageable and the company would need to figure out what to pay. But, Republicans increasing taxes on their donors? Ha!
Apple should just not sell them in the US then.
Profiteers foregoing the largest source of profit? Not likely.
Do it to everyone, I dare you. Nerds get heated. Please it will end sooner for him.
i feel like there are many nerds that voted for him
That’s just the loudest voices, not the majority.
More like didn’t vote at all
you fucking idiot, it’s NEVER EVER EVER coming to the US.
NEVER.
a 25% increase in cost is still MUCH more preferable to bringing all of that shit to the US. probably by orders of magnitude. can you even fathom (of course you can’t) what you would need to do to have a 100% American iphone?
let’s say you’re bringing the iphone manufacturing plant to the US. let’s even assume this move is subsidized so the new factory is going to cost only time.
the iphone isn’t put together from mere atoms. parts of it need to be manufactured first. there’s the screen, the glass, the aluminum case, several cameras, the battery, the ram, the storage, the CPU, the GPU, the receiver, accelerometer, gyroscope, etc etc… how much of that shit do you think is made in the USA?
so there’s tariffs an all of that. or to avoid them you need to make several new factories, and have other companies that provide these things also move their factories… and these factories don’t just have people create electronics by hand. you need machines. where do you think those are made? who makes them? so now you need the manufacturers of manufacturing robots to move their factories to the US.
and all these factories now employ people with much higher salaries.
all in all, a move like that would halt production for years and when it comes back every iphone would probably cost $47000.
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Bro really went off on him…
Based on the numbers from Purism, it could be a lot more than 25% more expensive to manufacture everything in USA. Purims Librem 5 costs 799 $, while the made-in-America version costs 1999 $. That’s roughly a 2.5x difference. Obviously, economies of scale play a role too but let’s assume that the same factor applies to iPhones too. If so, the fanciest iPhone would cost about 4000 $.
too lazy to check but does the “made in America” version have all its parts also made in America? coz i doubt it. if not, each and every part made outside the US would also get tariffed.
No, the US Purism phone is not 100% American.
They have a different supply chain for it where European manufacturers are used for some parts.
But some things are only made in China. So I think what was said is Purism source some of the raw materials for these items and have them made to a higher tolerance for reliability.
It’s because Donald can’t envisage the supply chain for anything more complex than a Trump flag or a MAGA hat.
In his mind, housewives can be knocking iPhones out in Bumfuck, Mississippi.
Excuse me, sir. There is no town in Mississippi called “Bumfuck”. That town is firmly within the boundaries of Iowa.
Mississippi would never stoop to the level of Iowa in having Bumfuck, Iowa. Mississippi is more elegant in its nomenclature. Thus, if you wish to make a point about a town in the middle of nowhere in Mississippi, please respect Mississippi by referring to such a town as Cousin-Hump, Mississippi. Thank you.
Fun you should bring up his merch because literally all of it is Chinese or Indian produced.
I drove all over that state looking for Bumfuck and never found it. Pretty ornery bunch, too…
If that… I imagine they were white label products so not even those taught him anything
And they’d still need to maintain their non-US factories due to the retaliatory tariffs many countries are putting on US products.
We don’t even have silicon availability. I don’t mean chips or printed boards, I mean processed quarts crushed into powder.
We would have to start opening strip mines and building massive furnaces and crushers and expanding railways. It’s just not feasible.
and expanding railways
Do it.
Rest assured if they fix the rail system or will be to put us in cattle cars on a rather unfun one way trip.
Yeah fr we should, but we haven’t and we probably won’t so it’s silly to expect the manufacturing to pop up out of thin air.
John Oliver did a segment on this about a month ago, but yeah, you just nailed it.
damn it’s been a while since I’ve watched him. it’s just all been current events lately and even though I’m keeping up with the news, i couldn’t watch him because the way his show covers things usually make things much more depressing. I’ve instead been venting here and shit. I’m gonna have to catch up though eventually, it’s still very informative.
Nah I’m with you. I loved him back in the TDS days but over time his show started to get stale, to me
i don’t think it’s stale just to be clear, bad things are just happening too fast. there’s nothing TDS can do about it really.
Fair, I just stopped liking his show for some reason. I was pretty happy that Jon Stewart came back though
That McGee book is pretty startling. $55B USD per year for how many years to develop plant and expertise in China over the past decade or two and that’s going to be reversed how exactly?
I mean, if the US can swing it, good for them, but it’s a bit like asking parents to produce Usain Bolt immediately or pay 25% higher income tax.
