Post had nothing to do with murder or violence. It is clear who reddit serves.
This is why billionaires didn’t like Lina Khan. As head of the FTC she understood her job was to prevent and break up monopolies. The billionaire monopoly winners disagreed.
We’re allowed to discuss all forms of revolution, so long as they are ineffective.
So if you want to know how to stage a successful revolution, consider what you’re not allowed to say as the starting point. And take a look at how the CIA overthrows governments- it ain’t peaceful.
Am I gonna get banned for upvoting this?
also, look at all the americans the FBI has gone after hardest. except the ones they were obviously paid to silence.
it’s not all violence. it will all draw violence.
The number of peaceful revolutions we can unfortunately count on one hand. We can strive for to -but we have to be realistic
However there also has to be a plan. Simply overthrowing the existing rule allows chaos & someone worse to assume power
The old rule has already been overthrown. By Trump, far right white Christian nationalists, and silicon valley. Unfortunately, it’s being replaced with something way worse.
yea, like what is currently happening is a “non-violent” coup. They used anger, mass disinformation and propaganda.
Russ voight literally said their coup would be as bloodless as democrats allowed
well, i guess that meant it would be completely bloodless.
Still non violent. As fucked as it is, there has been very little violence. Maybe some crazies at protests. Compare that to other revolutions it’s almost nothing.
I would rather have the violence. Maybe then there would be movement to stop it.
yes but that wouldn’t be civil and would degrade the integrity of the procedures, so, you know, un-american.
I am not sure I agree that the old rule was replaced. Before, the oligarchs ruled from the shadows by controlling political campaign finances and lobbyists. But now, the oligarchs are so powerful they are ruling directly. The country is still heading in the same direction (relentless growth of power disparity between the rich and power) just at a quicker pace.
FDR was the last US president that fought for the working class. Every President since Reagan has overseen policies that have weakened the working class and transfered power to the rich. Republicans were far more aggressive about it, but liberals still did it at a slower rate.
‘We can’t overthrow Hitler, because someone worse could come in to take his place.’
That’s not what they said though
Same logic.
No, they just said there needs to be a plan. It’s not the same logic at all.
Ok. I guess evil can be permitted to run rampant while we work out a plan.
Well then, by that logic, let’s just nuke the entire planet today! Argue in good faith please.
Not only that, but without a plan you won’t even be able to get close to overthrowing any half-competent regime.
so you’re saying there’s a chance?
That sub generally isn’t a meme sub so it’s not surprising they removed it for non conspiratorial reasons.
I literally rage quit reddit over this. Hence why am on Lemmy now. Hopefully we can draw more users from Reddit over here. Esp with the boycott of all things US.
Welcome! I migrated when the old Reddit apps stopped working, and the grass is indeed greener on this side, except for the non-English communities.
you would probably banned eventually anyways, since luigi is enough to have you banned. i was banned a few weeks before this for some other stupid reason. apparently people were getting banned anyway after temp ban is lifted.
If mustache man won this woukdnt he a problem js
Let’s not play dumb. Evoking the image of Luigi is in itself a gesture towards violence. That’s the point. Why discuss billionaires and show a picture of Luigi instead of Mary Poppins? Because of what Luigi did and what he represents. It’s implying a desirable solution.
It’s bullshit that Reddit removes this stuff, and it reveals where their loyalties lie, but we’re not on Reddit anymore.
Stop acting like a conservative and just say what you mean.
Or maybe act more like a conservative and obscure your viewpoints more so they don’t get banned. Let’s go Mary Poppins memes.
This is beyond the tipping point where selective enforcement shows it face. If this is crossing the line practically any picture of politician or historical figure is inciting violence.
THIS is key. they choose to take down the threat they’re most threatened by. trouble with removing other public figures is that no one is posting gengis khan memes about ceos. and we don’t know luigi for anything but his one thing.
I, personally, have no problem with violence against rich people.
If they’re not making an honest effort to redistribute their wealth to those who need it, then they are part of a system that enables the most human suffering in history: exacerbating the disparity in wealth.
that’s cool, thanks for sharing, not really relevant to the point I’m making though. I’m just saying stop pretending like you feel otherwise when you post luigi
Agreed. Asking nicely is the only way to get the billionaires to stop.
fuck off, that’s not what I meant. I’m saying stop ACTING like you’re asking nicely.
So we should use the image of Mary Poppins, but really everyone knows we mean Luigi but can do sweet FA about it? Not a bad idea.
That’s called a dog whistle. Not a new idea.
Luigi is “bad” violence but promoting the violent annexation of Canada is not? Give me a break.
Why Mary Poppins? Luigi the Nintendo character is right there.
Either it works, or Nintendo starts getting their stuff taken down by Reddit… in which case I wouldn’t want to be in Spez’s shoes.
I’m not actually suggesting we dog whistle
Yeah, it’s disingenuous to claim that they aren’t implicitly supporting what Luigi is alleged to do with this post.
Assuming it doesn’t get removed… https://www.reddit.com/r/Anticonsumption/comments/1jacfdl/she_is_the_greatest/
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Honestly: leave Reddit to the bots.
Anyone who is still there after all the bullshit, well, I would argue that either they’re oblivious, or some kind of bootlicker, either way, we are probably better off without them.
On an unrelated note, I hope Luigi gets Justice. I mean, he won’t, but… I can hope.
The just outcome for Luigi is to acquit him. He acted in the best interest of the people. He was protecting and serving the people. He’s a better enforcement officer than any LEO I’ve ever met.
Best of all, he wasn’t tasked with doing it. Nobody asked him to, nor did anyone pay him for his efforts. He’s a hero of the people. IMO, his actions, while extreme, are on par with someone who saves a person from a burning car, or picks up a victim and drives them to the hospital so they can get to the care they need more quickly. Luigi just did it on a much broader scale. Here’s this guy that’s preventing people from getting to the care they need. He’s like a bouncer for a hospital. So when an injured patent rolls up and the bouncer says “no” to providing care, it’s reasonable to remove that bouncer by any means necessary to save the people that he’s blocking from getting the care they need.
Yes, he used methods that are unconventional. Yes, he probably shouldn’t have. The outcome is the same. He moved the needle towards good.
While I can sympathize with those that lost their father/brother/husband/son/etc. I can’t sympathize with the man that was removed from blocking critical care to those who needed it, paid for it, and wanted it.
Anyone in charge at any US insurance company: they’re is blood on your hands. Do the right thing, or Luigi won’t be the last martyr to go down for the good of the people.
half the site runs on bots, ive been pointing out how people are getting worked up in nnews and politics over the fact its bots, mainly russian and US bots ragebaiting people. LEO all are there only support the wealthy class, yea luigi was wealthy himself and a right winger, (dont know if hes now though)
This reminded me that I’m still watching some subs through still existing mirrors like undelete so I don’t give reddit views, and I noticed that a big 21k upvoted post on subredditdrama about /r/conservative starting to panic over whether trump even knows what he’s doing was deleted.
All I can imagine for why it was deleted was intervention because of this rule, I couldn’t find a mod post on it, it might have been admin intervention.EDIT: There was a mod post, that it was going to stay up, but then another mod who posts in dogwhistle subs and has a tendency of removing posts from /r/conservative did. It WAS mods this time, but it’s still bad actors pushing a certain outcome.Clear Channel, but they changed their name. I think they’re IHeartMedia now?
Patron saint of justice.
I’ve been calling him Patron Saint Luigi lately lol
This is perfect for a non violent easter post 🤩
If “Section 230” is repealed by the Maga-Idiots any US social media plattfrom will become liable for what the user’s posts, they will have to do MUCH cleanup.
Any threat. Any wrongful accusation, and harm done to reputation will be OWNED not by the user in question… but the company providing the plattform, as if they are a newspaper and all users are staff writers.
Imagine writing “Dodge only make shitty cars that break all the time” on X, and X is now held accountable by Stellantis for damaging their reputation.
I hope they do it. Plattforms that make billions from free work of the users, should own the liabilities.
it would also un-shield any site from user generated content, making lemmy instance operators liable. all comment boxes on any site would disappear; the dead internet theory would become a reality overnight within the us
Well than don’t operate within the US.
The Maga aßholes want to be hateful on the internet without getting moderated. Without moderation it’s okay that the plattform becomes the publisher and is liable. I’d not be sad for meta/reddit/Twitter to just implode on legal fees… owning the fake news they allow to be distributed…while making money off advertisers…
I was for this when it passed originally but now seeing what these companies have done with it in the intervening years, I think maybe I was giving them too much benefit of the doubt
I think it’s interesting people keep posting things about this particular person when it’s likely to be filtered in all kiinds of media.
Not that I’m advocating for violence, but man, it seems like the people doing this would get their point across a lot more easily by posting pictures of groups of teens.
Not that I’m advocating for violence
That won’t be the get out of jail free card that you’re used to having soon.
I’d say letting people realize that even a picture of the guy with no violent messages attached gets removed is a really good way to get a point across.
Everyone worships him and his deeds at the same time you let America turn into a dictatorship and let trump destroy everything. So hypocritical to celebrate him but at the same time sipping coffee watching all your future being destroyed… Luigi, on the other hand, has taken action… what about you and the heads in the sand? Hypocrites hypocrites hypocrites FCK Amerika
Pretty sure he is pissed on the citizen too!
Hopefully more people will take action, but change is slow.
People need to realize what he did was necessary and we need more work like it done. We need more discussions, more alliances, more promotion of fighting back instead of being afraid of it.
Right now, the main fear among those brave heroes plotting to overthrow our oppressors are those being paid by the oppressors to protect the current power structure.
It’s a war. We’ve been conditioned not to see it.
It’s all hero worship, our civic tradition is (unintentionally?) very heavily based on The Great Man concept, Washington crossed the Potomac, not the people in the army, MLK won the right for civil rights, not the thousands of people working together for decades, etc etc
Luigi will save us (no, it will take all of us)
Well, it will definitely end with WW3 thanks to Trump. He has already given the go-ahead for global rearmament. Although too many still deny it (outside America)… The East has heard the starting signal for his first term and enjoyed the destabilization. The West is still in the process of realizing that… which means it’s already too late, they slept through it. The East is better positioned for war. The one that provided the balance (America) is not ready for war, because one way or another there will be a civil war before the ethical cleansing begins. Also, every democrat should have a weapon for the future to protect themselves.
Trump always blames others for what he himself plans… Well now he blames others for starting ww3… 1+1= trump wants ww3 and to thin America of population.
I’m not saying that anyone should stop supporting him.
I am saying that if the end goal is to communicate messages of support for the types of things he did, it would likely make more sense to post pictures that couldn’t be easily filtered.
Groups of teens would get a message across(“guillotines”) but would be difficult to filter effectively.
Pictures of one particular character are a lot easier to block.
Filtering systems can effectively block 100% of pictures of Luigi Mangione and of the character Luigi, but if people just posted picture after picture of groups of teenagers, that would be a lot harder to effectively filter.
Text analysis of every single comment etc. Images are irrelevant if the rest reveals the context. Plus for meta data… The profiles that tech companies have of people, including assignment of devices with mac + IP. Very easy, especially with AI, and what a coincidence that everyone is planning such huge data centers just for AI… will of course not be used for censorship or to create ethical groups later at the push of a button… so that ethical cleaning can be tackled really efficiently. ( way more effizient as germany. )
will of course not be used for censorship or to create ethical groups later at the push of a button… so that ethical cleaning can be tackled really efficiently.
Did you mean ethnic, or do you really think there is such a thing as ethical censorship?
I’m just talking about censorship, and I’m talking about ethical cleanup… it will be easy to group people into political thinking religion etc. The Republicans would love to see Democrats dead right now… Making the lists is no longer a job… Hitler would have been happy… So I see the Democrats in America already in mortal danger… All Trump would have to do is claim it would be good for the economy and the Republicans would swallow it.
How is that ethical though? Ethical is synonymous with moral.
I can’t tell if I should assume you mean that or if I should assume you mean ‘ethnic’ like a racial group.
Sarcasm? With Hitler it was also ethical cleaning too… although it was just mass murder… think about that instead.
Our insurance is tied to our jobs. If we lose our jobs, we lose any potential for financial stability in the face of illness or injury. If you protest and get hurt, you’re on your own.
It’s a billionaires world, and we’re just living in it.
Well, 200 years ago Slavery for all was just normal in the US. Now it is only “normal” for people incarcerated, often on trumped up charges.
Things won’t change by staying inactive.
How? If they get killed. death people cant do anything
Luigi was also aware before he did it that his life would be over. It didn’t stop him from doing the right thing.
Removing billionaires is self defense, don’t let anyone tell you different. They commit acts of gross violence on the general populace every single day. It’s time to re-balance the scales.
The amount of damage the disparity in wealth causes is difficult to understate.
The state calls its own violence law, but that of the individual, crime.
Max Stirner
Yeah, the existence of billionaires requires violence be perpetrated upon entire groups of people.
#killbill
I mean. I would never do something like this. And I don’t condone it. But people are free to do with their lives what they want. We have guns to fight tyranny.
Yesterday I saw clips on TV from us media supporting trump’s stances on Ukraine and stuff like that. Made me quite angry because the way that the presentation of the news was set up was to influence the viewer. Nothing else. It wasn’t to inform, it was to influence.
When it’s about politics on Belgian nationalised TV channel, then it’s always various people who share their points of view and it’s more to inform than to dictate.
MSM in the uss are owned 6-7 trump loving conservatives thats why. last years was nothing but sanewashing trump news, while ignore all the epstein investigation+ we havnt heard from mis GHISLAINE maxwell for like 2 years by then in the news, besides epstein she was the 2nd in command in relation of his operations, she knew everything that was going on, but not a peep from msm about her.
I was shadow banned from Reddit for making a not violent Luigi post on 12/23/24. My account was older and had high karma. I am grateful to have found this community. The state of human rights in the United States is bleak. I watched my mom die from early onset Alzheimer’s in our broken system and I don’t even have words for the cruelty in our system. How can corporations be “people” if there’s no way to hold them accountable for mass murder? Our system is broken and corrupt from top to bottom and somehow it’s about to get much worse. Luigi gave those of us who are broken and tired a fleeting moment of hope.
My mom passed earlier this year from pneumonia. The insurance wouldn’t let her stay until it was gone. So we had to keep taking her out of the hospital for a couple days, and then putting her back for the same pneumonia, it lasted for months, because the hospital couldn’t fully treat it. She had to wait at home until she was able to go again, and it eventually took her. The pneumonia, stress and everything else was just too much for her heart. She ended up going into cardiac arrest multiple times and the pneumonia sepsis is listed as her official cause of death.
Luigi is a fucking American hero and I wish more people could be like him. I unfortunately have to take care of these kids so I cannot but I will pray for whoever picks up that mantle.
I’m sorry for your loss. They murdered your mother for profit and it enrages me. I’ve personally suffered at the bloody hands of the insurance companies as well. The insurance companies fill me with a cold deep rage. I hope all their leaders know fear before they come to their end.
I have kids as well. I’m no longer religious but I believe in Saint Luigi and pray that others are inspired by his noble actions. Truly.
If you’re willing, please share the name of the insurance company and the CEO that murdered your mother for money.
The real villains are vanguard, black rock and the politicians that keep selling out the people. Things are about to get much worse with the cutting an privitazation ( this means it will be moved to a corrupt dysfunctional shareholder profit model) for medicade, Medicare, veterans healthcare and social security. The social contract is broken and the wealthy have waged war on the people. I was hoping that those doing this would have a wake up moment due to Luigi and ease up but instead the suppression has only increased. I don’t know how to fix this but the attack on the working class is “legal” and any resistance or hope is “illegal” or prohibitively expensive and easily stamped out. I get why people don’t want to bring children into the meat grinder that America has become.
Seriously. Violence is the only way to fight back when the powers that be control every other means of resistance.
Hyper focusing on Blackrock makes you sound like a conspiracy theorist - there are many groups like it, you have to expose the whole not be obsessed with the one or again it just looks crazy. IMO.
No investigation, no right to speak.
What does that even mean?
Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Black Rock, Vanguard and State Street own 74% of the US Economy. Not a crazy conspiracy an easily verifiable fact https://money.usnews.com/investing/articles/these-3-fund-families-control-74-of-the-market
I named multiple sources for our troubles. The biggest firms extracting wealth seemed like good easily verifiable examples. Agree to disagree with your opinion
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i was banned before the anti-luigi initiative by reddit, it seems like they are coming up with new excuses to ban more and more people. so that only a small amount of users are left.
reddit never had a problem with any of the right-wing subs calling for violence or engaging in harassment, so their bullshit claims of not allowing violence are absolutely hypocritical.
I think it’s targeted. They want to ban free thinkers and when new users come in, they will see a more facist base. Bet Reddit’s CEO got a fat check to make these changes. I got perm banned, then 3 day ban, after the first day it just went to perm again. Total IP ban.
Fuck Reddit and it’s bullshit. Lemmy is the new home.
they want a facebook/youtube hybrid, people that cant discern if its a right wing video/content trying to trick “liberals were destroyed by this right winger” or i cant stand “leftist voters,etc”.
What if thier filters are actually looking for content like that in your posts? and thier convenient excuse of permaban from subreddit, ban evasion.
Luigi gave those of us who are broken and tired a fleeting moment of hope.
ahem The Adjuster gave us all that, Luigi was hanging with me all week
I’ve had two accounts on Reddit, one got permabanned a few months ago, and I deleted the other a few days ago. The first one was my oldest account. Over a decade old, and massive karma. I also had my own sub where I shared my writing, and had a few thousand subscribers.
Back when that incel neo-Nazi Nick Fuentes got doxxed on Twitter, I made a joke saying “as an incel, he should be glad that women know where he lives now in case they want to share a cocktail with him”, with a gif of a Molotov cocktail. Permabanned for “promoting/glorifying violence”. I thought it was funny, but fine. That one is on me.
My other account, which was seven years old and had high karma, got banned from probably half a dozen subs in the past week or so for just mentioning Luigi, or even just up voting posts and comments mentioning him. That was when I decided Reddit was no longer for me.
It’s one thing to ban someone for the kind of joke I made. While it was obviously a joke, it was still an overt glorification of violence. So I get that. But just for up voting a comment mentioning Luigi’s name in a nonviolent context?
FUCK. THAT.
Totally with you. Tracking accounts and what they upvote and downvote and then banning specific accounts is pretty well fucked. All-the-while allowing and even enabling bots to flourish… Reddit is a mostly liberal flavored Facebook now. Total trash at this point. Nearly every sub just a bot filled echo chamber inside a library of echo chambers. Almost zero critical thinking. Obvious lies everywhere that are amplified until they become accepted as truth. Just like X/FB/IG/etc.
On a positive side the general public opinion on Reddit is mostly encouraging. It still has that going for it. But power corrupts. And Reddit is a publicly traded company now. Beholden to it’s shareholders and investors. Hopefully Lemmy grows and fills that void now that Reddit has decided to side with the wealthy elite by censoring our voices. Now that Reddit is literally owned by these wealthy elite (just like all the rest) they cannot be trusted anymore.
It’s wild. You can go on Reddit and openly discuss why you think Hitler may have been the good guy, but if you up vote some AI art of Luigi, you get banned.
And when you consider the amount of bots on there… many of which were Russian, and proven to be attempting to influence our elections, these bots go unchecked. But Luigi getting upvotes warrants a ban… holy shit man what a world now.
But misogynistic trolls are perfectly fine posting ‘your body, my choice’ etc? It’s all hypocrisy.
You can openly call for the death penalty for people seeking an abortion, or for the extrajudicial execution of immigrants, but Satan forbid you up vote a cartoon of your favorite green hat wearing Nintendo plumber.
It’s ridiculous. Those in power are clutching their pearls really fervently right now. Its funny how they brain wash us from such a young age to believe political violence is never the answer and extremely reprehensible meanwhile they have no qualms as far as using political violence against the working class and poor or any other country that might be in the process of a worker led revolution that works against the capitalist interests of those in power. And non violence may have been working some 60-70 years ago but then those in power quickly moved to implement violence to halt that progress. And i know I can not say for certain but im rather sure that MLK jr would change his tune on political violence if he could be resurrected to see exactly what the establishment did to him for spreading ideas they disliked. I often say that if nonviolence were truly the best way to effect socio political change then those in power would not be making bombs guns hets tanks and all the other military ordinance they profit off of to arm right wing coups in south America, central asia africa and every other part lf the world that the west strips for resources at the expense of the indigenous inhabitants of that land. The cia would just have their field agents instruct these authoritarian militants to enact sit ins and marches.which they do utilize from time to Time but they still definitively use violence as their preferred and final strategy to topple regimes and install vassal regimes when needed
Thanks for the writeup, I think I’ve been banned (edit: by admin, mods never banned me) about ten times on reddit over the years and it was always for shit you’d never get banned for on forums run by independents instead of corporations. Especially one owned by spez who idolizes Elon Musk.
You may also enjoy SomethingAwful Forums. The $5 one time to register fee paywall keeps most jerks out. https://forums.somethingawful.com/
Bans are public, and the mods are hilarious: https://forums.somethingawful.com/banlist.php
Imagine someone getting banned for lying on reddit in a Trump thread. Also, mods can add text to your public profile attached to every post you make. Sometimes it’s in size 50 red text. Sometimes it’s a flashing GIF calling the user a moron hyperlinked to an example.
