“Give me all your money” says world’s richest person, in a fit of originality.
What’s dumb about this statement is all Elon would have to do is market to all the places where broadband companies refuse to go and be affordable. tRump already killed the rural broadband initiatives. There’s literally no competition and word-of-mouth could probably pull in more who are unhappy with their broadband provider.
However, capitalism and greed are cancers that know no limit…
Well I say starlink and f’elon can suck my ass.
Fiber all the way, especially if it is owned by the community. That would simply ensure that Musk nor TelCos can’t fuck around with people. Fast speed, no data caps, low prices, and not being at the mercy of some wealthy jackhole would be wins across the board.
Also, if America has a 2nd Civil War, fiber will be much more safe than relying on sats - those can be shot down, or worse, Musk can cut off the good guys from having internet. It is simply harder to sabotage if the wires are underground and cannot be readily seen by hostile actors. As seen in Ukraine, the fucker has absolutely no compunctions against disabling the internet at key moments.
Musk = POS Nazi.
Goat says garden needs more carrots.
Lol, lmao even
A society grows great when old men plant fiber whose speed they know they shall never download from.
Hmmm ditch lightning fast and stable fiber for the mediocre speed and unstable micro satellite internet connection controlled by a petty asshole…
What to do, what to do?
Just think how much control he can have if he owns the medium which people access the internet.
And he’d only do good things with that power /s
That will work out as well as the death tunnel (formerly hyperlink)
Of course. In a month or two he can tell trump Dem statez are stupid and he should force them to do that.
While trump looks down and says “don’t take it out of your mouth again”
Honestly, I think starlink is a fantastic idea in general, but this is clearly bullshit. Starlink works well in tandem with fiber, not as a replacement.
It’s just never going to be as cost effective as installed fiber. Fiber is obviously the right technology to use in heavily populated areas i.e. for the vast majority of Internet users. And where the population is sparse and laying fiber for individual customers is cost prohibitive, that is where satellite connectivity shines. If SpaceX or anyone else is pretending otherwise, they’re being blatantly deceitful and malicious. That’s not in Internet users’ best interest.
In France they authorised air hanging fiber, so they just use electric poles and hang the fiber under the 220 volt lines, as a last resort.
Cheap as hell. Or, where there’s a will there is a way.
As fiber is rolled out more, i see less and less why it would be cost prohibitive?
All you need to do to connect a remote place is lay a cable. More expensive if you need dig a trench and put the cable in there. But if it can be done for electricity it can be done for fiber.
lets get down to the real reason he wants to do this. he would be able to turn off connection for millions if they piss him off, or hand over the data to said political actors like putin or trump, also to manipulate future elections like he did last time.
Fiber fucking rules
Alternative Headline: Billionaire Signals States Should Speed Fiber Rollout
Fibre is an investment that can be used and upgraded for decades. Starlink is a subscription service forever to a private company.
And upgrading is piss cheap. Just change transceivers.
Same fiber cable that does 1gbps can do 100tbps.
That’s not true… There are different types of fiber with different throughputs depending on the class of the cable and the length of the installation.
It is true.
Multimode (what I think you’re trying to reference) isn’t used in distance applications at all, it’s only for short in-building links. Anything that your ISP would provide you would be single-mode. Carrier/Backbone is virtually 100% SMF as well. SMF (OS1 and OS2) don’t really have a bandwidth cap. It’s all transceivers not the fiber.
But the point is that fiber that ALREADY in the ground, you can upgrade simply by changing the transceivers. It doesn’t matter the length, SMF/MMF, or anything else… you just get a transceiver rated for the length of run (power of the led/laser, and the optics). The length is irrelevant otherwise as the presumption is that the install in the ground has been shown to work in the past already.
Old standard ITU-G.652 single-mode has been made to push multi-petabit transfers in lab environments. The only change was the transceivers. And to be clear, ITU-G.652 was standardized in 1984. Nobody rips out the fiber from the ground (caveat is that the cable itself hasn’t degraded). You just upgrade the optics/transceivers.
“It’s not the fiber that’s limiting—ITU-T G.652 defines physical specs (dispersion, attenuation), not throughput. Field trials over 96.5 km of real-world G.652 fiber showed 56.5 Tb/s using advanced DWDM and modulation
source: https://arxiv.org/abs/2108.01873
Your statement didn’t specify an application!
The context of the discussion does…
SpaceX doesn’t provide in rack or in-building connectivity.
SpaceX is an ISP. You wouldn’t have an ISP running multimode.
ISP’s absolutely run multimode. That’s how you get fiber into a building or between buildings. Different types of fiber all play a role in a network deployment.
Broad statements are misleading. OM4 multimode won’t push 10gb at 500meters no matter how good your hardware is.
Broad statements are misleading.
Ignoring the context of the discussion is even more misleading. In the context of this conversation, ISPs providing consumer connections and obtaining grant money, my statement is 100% accurate.
That’s how you get fiber into a building or between buildings.
You just said multimode can’t do significant speeds at distance, yet claim that buildings separated by distance would be connected with it? That logic doesn’t hold.
Intrabuilding or intrarack Yes, you’ll find multimode fiber occasionally. But even these rare cases are increasingly replaced by single-mode as costs drop and bandwidth needs rise.
Everything else (ISP deployments, backbones, FTTH) Single-mode fiber dominates. I haven’t seen a single ISP deploy multimode for consumer-facing services over a typical network radius (~hundreds of meters to kilometers). The only minor exception is MMF from the building network room to an apartment unit, which is irrelevant for this discussion and would be EXCEEDINGLY rare as most buildings would just copper line to the unit. But even in that case… the 20+km from the head end to the building counts for much more than the 20meters to the unit itself.
For all practical ISP purposes, single-mode fiber is what’s in the ground/on the pole, and upgrades are handled via transceivers, not ripping out the cable.
OM4 multimode won’t push 10gb at 500meters no matter how good your hardware is.
But just because you said it…
https://www.corning.com/catalog/coc/documents/application-engineering-notes/AEN075.pdf
and OM4 is suitable for distances up to 550 m
https://www.fs.com/uk/blog/om4-multimode-fiber-faq-highspeed-connectivity-guide-9499.html
OM4: Supports 10 Gbps up to 550 meters.
https://www.timbercon.com/resources/calculators/om1-om2-om3-and-om4-fiber/
OM4 Not specified 500 m* 150 m 150 m
*The IEEE has yet to officially give a distance for 10GBASE-S on OM4 fiber. The distances are decided by the IEEE in 802.3, not The TIA or ISO/IEC cabling standards. Some glass vendors say 500 m, but most are now quoting “up to 550m.”You absolutely can run OM4 at 10gbps at or over 500m depending on your optics/laser.
But Multimode was never the point of discussion as the whole thread is based around broadband services (virtually none of it serviced by multimode, if any at all) and grant money for rural area coverage. Any fiber upgrade in this scenario will 100% be SMF with no qualifiers. In my past 30 years of IT career all buried and pole mounted fiber is SMF that I’ve ever seen for an ISP. I can tell you for certainty that ever fiber I’ve buried in the past 10 years for several companies has been SMF. I’m not even sure that I’ve touched MMF in the past 5 years even in intra-rack setups, I think I might have gotten some with a government auction win about 8 years ago I wanna say? With costs of SMF at near parity for the cable itself and getting closer every year in the modules… it’s a dying form factor and was never really in use for ISP services to begin with.
